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West Virginia quarterback Ford Childress watches the fourth quarter unfold after a three-turnover day in the 37-0 loss to Maryland.

 

BALTIMORE, Md. — Reflecting on a 37-0 loss to Maryland that would have been hard for any coach to stomach (much less a spread-offense guru), Dana Holgorsen not only refused to pile on quarterback Ford Childress, but indicated plans to stick with the redshirt freshman.

“He’s going to be our guy,” Holgorsen said.

Holgorsen’s guy threw a pick-six in the first quarter. Holgoren’s guy set up another Terps touchdown with an interception at his own 6-yard line. Holgorsen’s guy lost a fumble. Holgorsen’s guy completed one pass to a wide receiver—all afternoon. Holgorsen’s guy threw for 62 yards—all afternoon.

WVU fans might be clamoring for Holgorsen to get a new guy, just as they clamored after the offense struggled in a 16-7 loss at Oklahoma. But Holgorsen is running out of new guys—only Clint Trickett is left in the bullpen—and in the aftermath of WVU’s first shutout in 12 years, Holgorsen said no quarterback could have prospered behind WVU’s shaky line play.

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West Virginia’s Ford Childress was sacked by Maryland’s Darius Kilgo, part of an abysmal day for the quarterback.

“We could have had Peyton Manning back there, and if you’re not able to get any yards in the run game or not able to set your feet and throw downfield …” the coach said, an incomplete sentence that didn’t need an ending.

“We played incredibly poor up front. It was probably as bad as we’ve ever played on the offensive line.”

That frames up Holgorsen’s headline of the day: “Offensively we’re as inept as we can possibly be.”

Though Childress was sacked only twice, Maryland pressured him frequently—often without committing extra defenders to the pass rush. When West Virginia attempted to run the ball with a numbers advantage, Maryland typically stopped that too.

Dreamius Smith’s 51-yard run with four minutes left in the game—against second-team Terrapins—and Wendell Smallwood’s 30-yarder earlier in the fourth quarter helped WVU average 4.5 yards per rush, which is statistical folly. Eliminate those two outliers, and the Mountaineers averaged 1.3 yards per attempt.

“When they have five people in the box and we can’t get a yard, it’s going to cause a problem,” said Holgorsen, who wanted to emphasize more elements of power football into WVU’s offense this season. The running backs appear to be a talented group, but the offensive line has been mangled in two games against legitimate competition.

“I thought we’d be able to run the ball,” said offensive coordinator Shannon Dawson. “(Maryland) definitely out-physicaled us up front.”

Those breakdowns make it impossible for Childress to do how job, and to some degree, make it difficult for coaches to evaluate whether Childress should continue a the quarterback or give way to the Florida State transfer behind Door No. 3.

Childress completed 11-of-22 passes for the aforementioned—and completely unfathomable—62 yards (a smidgen off last week’s pace of 359). Eight of Saturday’s completions went to running back Charles Sims on swing passes or quick screens, including an 11-yarder that opened the game. (Ah, those were optimistic times, indeed.) Two plays later, on a third-and-13, Childress fired an out route to Ronald Childress, who made a lunging grab a yard shy of the marker.

Make sure to circle Carswell’s catch, because it was the only one made by a West Virginia wide receiver. Childress overthrew a few others, guessed wrong at least twice when receivers broke off routes in different directions, and simply chucked some passes in hurried fashion when rushers leaked through.

“Did he play great tonight? No. Was it all his fault? Heck no,” Dawson insisted. “There’s a lot of things that have to get better offensively for us to get a quarterback going.”

While Dawson claimed he wasn’t trying to deflect criticism from Childress, Holgorsen went about defending his quarterback client harder than Alan Dershowitz, saying: “He never had a chance.”

Which sounds an awful lot like he’ll get another chance next week.

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Comments

  • Joe

    We are young, absolutely, but what concerns me are two things....

    1- no noticeable improvement in the stupid mistakes category.

    2- the tendency to go in the corner and cover after taking an early punch inthe chin versus punching back.

    I personally can accept no wins the rest of the season for this young team as long as each opponent walks from the field knowing it was in a fight.

  • Mtneer4Life

    Just how many of you armchair monkeys could have done any better? So many football experts here that have never even walked on the field @ MP Stadium, but still have all the answers.

    • Dave

      This is a blog. It's a place for all to vent and express our opinions. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. I'm sure there are a few "armchair monkeys" and "football experts" speaking out here that could do just as good as these "experts" running the WVU football and basketball programs and the entire athletic department.

    • len

      We're not paid to do the job - he is. The more time goes on, the more he "owns" the results that frankly are getting worse. We hear all last year you couldnt compare his results to Stewart because now we are playing in the much tougher big 12. 2 of the last 3 losses came against teams we have played for years. So even if we arent "experts" we can see the trend of the results...

    • Rob

      Yes your right we are armchair monkeys but this guy is paid millions to win not lose. So I believe he should get a pay cut for each game he loses. See how long it takes him to leave or start producing.

    • JimJim

      It's not for me to do better, I'm not getting the 2M+ per year.

    • lee arthur

      Mtneer4Life , people are allowed to have an opinion even you , but you shouldn't belittle other people for having one.

    • hailey

      How many could do better?... scoring ZERO points, I feel pretty certain even you could lead the team to ZERO points and a 37 point loss to Maryland.

    • MS

      Totally correct

    • J the C

      agreed

  • Dave

    So the QB and the receivers are OK this week. The O line is the problem. Nothing about how he plans to fix it? Don't blame Stew for the players that are here. This is Holgerson's 3rd year and just about all the offensive players being used are his recruits. His boys brought in by him and his coaches. Just like Huggins losing last year, they can't blame the guy in charge before them.

    • Dave

      Can't blame the O line coach either. He was very successful at Stanford. The problem is the head coach.

  • Mac

    Brandon, you're right in many regards. But do remember that Holgorsen is supposedly an offensive genius that can score tons of points with anyone. He was hyped as "never failing to score 21 points".

    • Oh Did Ya?

      Agreed. 1 TD against two BCS opponents is awful - no way to sugar coat that and the TD was a break away that the QB's had zero to do with. If the OL is bad as he says, the more mobile QB is the answer and that guy is Trickett.

  • Mike

    Give Holgorsen as much time as you want. Support the team. But in the end, he's still a coach that just doesn't feel right for WVU. I've followed the EERS for 45 years. I don't look for a happy ending.

    • Chuck

      Ok big guy. Pay up the buyout!!!!!!! Out if your pocket. Wvu does not have it!!!!!

      • len

        let Ken Kendrick pay - its his fault we have this guy in the first place as he was against Stewart from Day One. If he thought Stewart was in over his head I wonder what he is thinking about this guy now....

      • Public Ed

        Chuck,

        Sure they have it.....remember IMG is paying them $8 million!! use some of that for a good investment.....clean house.....Luck has got to go.

        • JimJim

          Do you really thing that IMG will make money on this deal? I don't, when people stop listening the ad money goes away. Just like WVU with Lucky and the Dude, I think IMG will be looking for a way out. lol.

    • len

      I agree with you MIke. He just doesnt look like he fits in. From wearing black, to the style of football he plays, to the way he talks about his team.....

      • Ed

        Hole Go doesn't look good in the old Gold and Blue.

        • Mikey

          I think you should coach Ed, seems like you know everything! How do you look in the 'ole gold and blue'? I'm a grad of WVU and your disparaging remaks are an embarrassment to you, the state and certainly the school.

        • jerry

          give him a break takes time who cares what he wears they will get better

    • WVIRGINIAN FOR LIFE

      Well said Mike!

  • pghmountaineer

    So he's sticking with Childress. As if he has other options.
    What a joke. He has lost this team. It's obvious. There will be at least 4 more blowouts before the season is over.

  • Bryan

    It was a bad game, that happens. Coaches made mistakes, that happens. Players made mistakes, that happens. Coaches and players learn from mistakes and get better, that will happen. Live up to all you guys b. s. expectations, will only happen if we finish 13-0 with national championship. Get real, we aren't very good this year and each game will be like a grab bag, don't know what you'll get. Accept reality, show support and stop your whining or become a coach, AD, school president, ect since so many thinks its so simple and has all the answers.

  • Ed

    Hole Go Son

  • Teufel

    A sad display today sad indeed

  • Offense Help

    There is a 4th QB on roster now! All the talk about the big 3 who have struggled, what about the 4th option! We should look behind all doors or go to a deeper bull pen if necessary.

    • Ed

      yes

    • Mac

      Why? Holgs is right about one thing, no one would have succeeded behind that o-line today.

  • Duggie

    We have a bad year and everyone wants to run Holgerson out of town. Your Fathers or Grandfather are probably the ones that ran Bobby Bowden out of town. I am not happy at all with this years offense. But we are replacing one of the best offensese we have had in years. Don't get me wrong, last year ended bad as well because we had no defense. Almost everyone on the offense is new. The quarterbacks, the running backs, and wide recievers. This is whats called a rebuilding year. I am just as pissed as any of you, hell I was born in Maryland and hate that school. If we keep running coaches out of town, they will never get a chance to see what their recruits can do. Would you want to coach a college that screams for you head if you have a bad year? Mountaineer fans are the best, passionate beyond belief, but we have no patients. Where were you comments about running Holgerson out of town after the Orange Bowl? A good football team needs many pieces. Last year we had the offense. Smith, Bailey, and Austin are gone. This year it seems we have a defense and no offense. We have no wide recievers. No one to throw it to and an O line that can't stop a 3 man rush. We need to get the pieces to fit. If we had a great QB, wide recievers, an offensive line that couldn't be stopped and a defense and lost this way. I would be the first to say he had to go. This game really pissed me off but you have good years and bad years. Although it seems we have had more bad years lately. He needs time to get the pieces he needs to make it work. I know you guys will give me hell but this is how I feel. If everyone is against this team and Holgerson is a part of this team, how do you think they will perform. Mistakes killed us and our offensive line could give Childress enough time to blink. This sucks. I want them to win so bad.

    • Ed

      The head coach has been there going on 3 years. His drinking buddy can't get the punt returner in position to make a catch. His drinking buddy that coaches the special teams, who coached the defense last year is a clown and should be fired. Holgo needs to get rid of his drinking pal. Holgo is not an innovator, we hear the same excuses every week and see the same stuff every week. How bout a fake punt? How bout a halfback pass? Give me something I ain't seen. So you want to give "Hole Go" more "time"...stupid..stupid...stupid.

      • Bryan

        And you coach at what major university?

        • Ed

          I thought you were my special teams coach... let's have another one just like the other one...

      • Chuck

        Call out coaching all you want. But deforest is not a drinking buddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Learn your facts. He is a good person. And a family guy!!!! Make up some other lie first

        • Public Ed

          Glad he is a good guy and a family guy. We need a good COACH. That he is not. Who cares if he drinks or not. I want someone to coach these kids up and help them to be better young men. Don't see Holgs doing that. All I see is him cursing them at every turn. Not sure how that makes them better people. We can't afford to pay $2million + for that and $500K to a special teams coach who is a "good guy"

      • KenHill

        Listen, your childish comments are ridiculous and clearly you know little about football and even less about coaching. 3 years is nothing, give him 5 years and lets see where we are. That said, the program is slipping a little so I will be watching closely.

      • Duggie

        So Ed who do you want to be the coach. Keep in mind that whoever you choose is watching whats going on her in Morgantown. If you win big (Orange Bowl) your a hero. Lose and its your head within 3 years. We had probably the best offense ever last year. Do you think its easier finding players to replace Bailey, Austin and Smith? There are a lot of things that need to be fixed. The O-line can't stop anyone. Thats is a big key. They can't make holes for the running backs and they can't give Childress or any QB time to throw it. Your keep referring them as drinking buddies. Why? Maybe there are bible studying buddies? It seems you didn't want Holgerson in there anyway either you wanted Stewart to stay or Doc. I also wanted Doc. But Holgerson offense has been proven privided he has the players to run it. They are are using in at Texas A&M, Oklahoma State and other places. It has worked everywhere he has been, but not overnight. He was lucky to have Bailey, Smith and Austin to run it last year. And before you say those were Stewarts recruits, so was Maryland Wide out Long, who Stewart would not play so he tranferred. I agree with you on one thing, This needs to be fixed and fixed now. If we have two losing seasons I will stand with you. It's Holgerson's job to find and recruit the kids he needs. Course it's easier for a kid to choose a college close to the beach or a major city with plenty to do than the Mountains of West Virginia.

    • Rick

      "Would you want to coach a college that screams for you head if you have a bad year?" There are places such as Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Florida where a 10-2 record gets people screaming for the coach's head, and yet there are hundreds of coaches who would absolutely love to have those jobs.

      But this is West Virginia, and the standards are much lower. While competing for a national championship every year here is unrealistic, I don't think it is too much to ask to have a competitive team year in and year out, and by that I mean a team that can consistently win eight or nine games a season, with eleven or twelve wins once in a while; and also represent the state and university with class and good sportsmanship.

      Hopefully Coach Holgorsen will turn things around. If not, there are many others who would like the opportunity to try.

      • Mac

        Why not? Everyone screamed for Bill Stewart's head after going 9-4. Hell, Everyone called for Don Nehlen's head every time WVU lost a game. We're talking about the University that hung the winningest coach in the history of college football in effigy!

      • wvudad

        RICK, WVU had a consistant nine win coach and Luck fired him..........

        • peg

          Well said!!! We had a coach who won more games in his first 3yrs as a head coach of a major university than any other in history in the NCAA. He was a good West Virginian and a good family man who lived by principles he taught his players. He won games while being a good example. AND...Luck fired him!!!

          • susanf

            I have said from the time that Coach Stewart was treated so badly and they brought this clown in that WVU would rue the day that Ollie Luck and Holgersen were ever hired. WVU is getting what it deserves.

          • len

            Holgorsen is 4-8 in his last 12 and his backers keep saying "he's playing in the Big 12" but 2 bad losses came to Syracuse and Maryland. Anyone who is objective has to see that the more othis becomes his team the worse things are getting.

        • Duggie

          Bill Stewart was a great man but not a coach. My 7 year old could have been 11-1 with the talent he had on his team. Keep in mind Stewart went to a Pittsburgh newspaper to try and dig stuff up on Holgerson. Stewart was one hell of a guy with more Mountaineer pride than anyone, but he was not a coach. Look at his record as a head coach before WVU. We lost 2 bowl games one to NC State and the other to Florida State. We should have won those. I know he coached the Fiesta Bowl what many don't realize is that Rich Rods offensive coordinator Calvin McGee came back to coach that game. Thats who I wanted to be head coach. 9-3 in the big east with the talent Stewart had was like 3 9 in the Big 12.

          • susanf

            We could argue this til the cows come home and never resolve it. But to say that Holgerson's record, if we are lucky enough to have a 3-9 season is as good as or better than Coach Stewart's 9-3 record is ridiculous. According to those who claim to know, the Big 12 Conference is weak this year. Whatever. My point is simply this - Coach Stewart was fired for not winning enough games; therefore, why is Holgerson not held to the same standard? Looks to me like Ollie's grand scheme isn't working out too well. Fire Luck, Holgerson, and the whole sorry lot of them!

          • GregG

            I myself questioned at times if Stew was Head Coach material. I often thought he was maybe to nice a person. But I also felt that the whole situation could have been handled differently. But the writing was on the wall that Luck was going to do what Luck wanted to do. And he has clearly shown this type of attitude on many occasions. And I'm certain he will continue these type of actions. I have a bad feeling that Luck has already done enough damage that WVU will never be the same. It doesn't take long to dig yourself into a hole, but unlike an Alabama, Texas or Florida State, the crawl out of the hole is a lot harder and takes a lot longer. I've been a season ticket holder for 20+ years and I'll admit there have been a few occasions that I was very concerned about our program due to what was taking place on the field. But what I have seen since Luck become AD is really troubling.

          • JL

            You rewriting history Duggie. Maybe the Big East is not the Big 12...maybe...but I haven't seen anybody in the Big 12 that looks like Louisville. And for that matter the Louisville team Pat White beat in three overtimes. Or the Syracuse defense that smothered our great offense. Have you seen that from anyone in this league. Today WVU is just plain bad. All we hear is young players, young players. Pat was a sophomore in his first significant appearance and rose to the challenge. Steve Slaton's best year, buy far, was his sophomore season. This is bad football for Conference USA.

          • Luke

            If you are going to blame Stewart for the losses then you have got to give him credit for the wins. That is the least you can do for a guy who isn't around to defend himself.

          • Doug

            If your using Holgersons coaching record as a head coach the you have use stewarts record as a head coach at every school he coached. He never had a winning season until he took over a winning program and couldn't win a bowl game with out rich rod or calvin mcgee

        • Mikey

          Bill Stewart, while a good man, a good husband and father, was way in over his head. It showed every single time he was on the field. I admire the way he brought the team together to destroy OK in the fiesta bowl... but anyone who thinks he should have been the head coach obviously looks at the world through rose colored glasses... I believe Luck has made it very clear that if WVU doesn't win, he's willing to make a change, even when it isn't the most popular thing to do. But you have to give someone a chance to succeed. If this doesn't improve as the season progresses, then there may need to be some changes made. But everyone with any football knowledge knew that this was a rebuilding year.

          • Ragweed

            Those who didn't see Oliver Luck to be a dirty, low-down slimeball from day one obviously had their eyes closed. His approach is all about money and nothing else, and he doesn't care who gets hurt in the process. It will be good to see him go, and it can't be too soon.

    • Toolman

      Agreed. And those who care only about winning, I see PITT got a win yesterday and I am sure tickets are still available for the rest of their games. Be my guest an travel up there. It will cut down on the traffic in Morgantown on Saturday.

      • Jeff M.

        Toolman, I don't think traffic will be a problem on Saturday in Morgontown, probably the only bright spot of the day.
        GO EER"S

    • Magic Mike

      If Holgersen would not have ran Jeff Casteel out of town our defense would be much better. Actually Jeff Casteel or Doc Holliday should be coaching this team.

    • Public Ed

      Duggie:

      Remember last year....you say we had one of the best offenses in the country and we could only win 7 games. If Holgs can't win with the Offense we had last year....how is he EVER going to win it all??

    • Ragweed

      Duggie - please be aware that when you post one long rambling paragraph that few people will even bother to read it when they first see it.

  • Ed

    Stupid

  • Mike

    I never liked Holgorsen from day one and nothing he has done has changed that opinion. He's just not right for the Mountaineers. Maybe Luck isn't either.

    • 2019jones

      Well said...

    • Scott

      Without luck we would still be in the Big East. WE all know that would be a bad thing.

      • susanf

        Couldn't be much worse than the situation we are in now!

      • Magic Mike

        Right and our team has to travel half way across the country just to play a game. That was smart real smart.

      • GregG

        And the direction that Luck is taking WVU, in the near future we might be begging to be in the MAC.

  • 2019jones

    Get rid of dana,its time,wont win another game with him leading this group;as r forefathers always said GO WEST YOUNG MAN GO WEST CU DANA....

    • Big Hooptie

      Learn the game. When you do, you will see Dana is not the issue.

      Bill Stewart failed to recruit 20 kids in 2009 (17). We lack depth. In addition, of those recruits, Taj Boyd and Barry Brunetti are not here along with 2-3 other skill players.

      2013 is what we are left with.

      • Shadow

        You sound like Obama blaming Bush for everything. Time Dana stood up and took some of the blame.

        • Joe Cool

          Running a football team is a little different than running a country.

          • JimJim

            Yes, and you get paid more.

        • Mark

          I think he took the blame in the press conference after the game. But I think he's in over his head!

        • Graywv

          Maybe you should like at the facts, Obama, and Big Hooptie are both right on!

        • Scott

          Bush made a HUGE mess. Let's not forget that. The republiklans obstruct about everything he tries to do. to correct it.

          • Magic Mike

            This is a sports page go talk politics some place else.

          • vinnie

            What? This is a football discussion about an inept coach. Our inept president would take too much bandwidth to cover. Give it a rest

          • Charlie

            Obama has got everthing he wanted to do enjoy

          • FungoJoe

            What?? You live in Bizaro World.

        • SamWV304

          He absolutely took all the blame in the pressr after the gameAlthough . How did he make those boys throw a pick six,fumble,fumble,pick, pick,fumble?aghhkk i think thays how it went ...I mean. Like i said befr high n tight IS taught at peewee, Jr ball level..very young age. Seemed they all thought the rain made the ball STICK to them. Forgot that first rule of carrying the ball.

      • Billy

        Stew lost White, Slaton, and Schmit and went 9-3

        • Duggie

          And barley beat Marshall in OT

          • Guardian

            Be glad your boy Dana isn't playing Marshall this year!!

        • J.P.

          Actually, he had Pat White for a year. Slaton left early, and Owen was a senior.

      • Mark

        We lack more than depth!

      • wvudad

        A month ago Holgorsen told us that he had kids in place to succeed. Quit blaming Stewart. Holgorsen had a good team when the kids could still remember what their old coaches taught them and Casteel was still here. Efore and Dawson are teaching unsound football, and Holgorsen is in over his head. Its year three, the kids are mostly his, the coaches are all his.

        • 2019jones

          Very well said...

        • phk

          Yea, I guess there are head coaches and there are assistant coaches, and dana is not a head coach.

      • len

        Blaming a dead guy whose 3 year record will be much better than this guy is not a winning formula. Even under your formula you can only blame Stewart for 1/4 of the team....Holgorsen did much better coaching Stewart's recruits than the guys he and his staff have brought in

      • JL

        OMG. What a joke. Blame Stew? Nice try Oliver.

      • JL

        OK Obama. Blame Bush...blame Stewart.

      • Public Ed

        Hard to recruit when you have a head coach who is 9-3, 9-3, 9-3 and has been told he will no longer be the head coach....and you have a "coach in waiting" who has never been a head coach. You can thank Mr. Luck for that!!

  • Bobby M

    WHAT?!?!!!!?

    I dont even KNOW where TO begin!!! Sorry Coach Holgs I'm not immediately throwing you under THE bus but I dont agree WITH you!

    The same people calling FOR you to be FIRED were whilsting Dixies when you beat Clemson! Even Rich Rod had some Maryland beatdowns AND others were calling for HIM to be fired!!! So I'm NOT saying THAT stuff! BUT WOWWWW!!!! You sound like you dont HAVE a CLUE!!!!

    • GregG

      I can give you a suggestion on "where to begin"..........Start with the AD. Luck is the one that came in and immediately started his "all about the money" game plan. Well now we have our $7 beer, increased ticket prices, increased "mandatory donations", vendor contracts and radio deals. Everything that comes out of Luck's mouth revolves around a $ sign. Well, money doesn't buy you victories or National Championships. But I can tell you one thing Luck is going to get with his "all about the money" ideology......a DECREASE in both single and season ticket sales. Even his NO halftime "pass out" hostage plan isn't going to be as profitable when there no one in the stands. What is the local restaurants, hotels, gas stations and grocery store going to think when there are 30 thousand LESS fans flooding Morgantown on a fall Saturday? Greed has ruined our Nation, so what the hell, might as well ruin WVU athletics too. And just keep in mind what the Big East did to Temple football after the '04 season. There might come a day when the Big 12 does the same to WVU.

      • vinnie

        Well said.

      • JL

        You hit the nail on the head exactly.

      • Bobby M

        ANd you FORGOT one!!!! LUCk's money plan also started THIS horrible IMG radio mess!!!!! WOWL! What a disaster that one is! !!!!

      • FungoJoe

        I hate to agree with you, but you are right. I would bet that the Big-12 is seriously regretting inviting WVU and not Louisville today. Holgorsen and Thuggins have really lowered the bar. Both are a disgrace to WVU.
        I gave up my 4 season tickets this year, after 27 tears, and have not regretted it one single bit.

      • WVIRGINIAN FOR LIFE

        Right on target!!!! Luck needs to go first, before anyone else. Time to shake up the BS in Morgantown.

    • Larry

      Bobby, how do you decide which WORDS you will capitalize, it seems very random?

      • Bobby M

        Dear LARRY! Its called ENGLISH language!

        Nice try! You almost got me ON that one!

        Rock N ROLL Rumble!!!!

        • Larry

          OK, thanks, YOU really cleared THAT up FOR me. HOLD the rope, spot THE ball, grip IT and rip IT.

          • Bobby M

            Your WELCOME for ANY time!

            Spot it UP! Let IT rip! Rock N ROLL Rumble to victory!

            OH! And FOR Larry too!!!!!

          • WVSon

            You two need a morning radio show.
            bob AND larry IN the Morning!

    • Nick

      WHY DOESN'T HE GIVE A FEW MORE OFFENSIVE LINEMAN SCHOLARSHIPS INSTEAD OF 12 WR!!!

    • Jonesy

      And Holgs was hired because we weren't scoring enough points to suit the WVU $ people........

    • J the C

      Holgs is absolutely correct!

    • J the C

      what?