MORGANTOWN, W.Va. — In their weekly installment of “The Takeaway,” Allan Taylor and Justin Hoff break down the Baylor film and, boy, does Baylor ever know how to score points. In this episode, they discuss how good Baylor is and where WVU must focus entering the bye week.

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  • Bill

    JoeC---hope you are not insinuating coaching at Samford, Bowling Green, Glenville and VMI prepared those coaches to successfully coordinate and operate a program at WVU's level. Probably more likely their experiences as assistants at the Division 1 level in major conferences prepared them or they would have moved from smaller schools directly to head coach at a major school.

    • Bryan

      Reguardless the size of the school theses people all had experience as a head coach. I'm sure where ever they started there were also learning curves to all the functions needed to be head coach as opposed to a position coach. Once again he's only in the beginning of his tenure, 2.5 years. He should at least get another 2.5 to allow his recruits to become upperclassmen before any rash decisions are made.

    • Shadow

      By the way WVU is playing, what is the difference of "Level"? When you have to do all the jobs, you learn a lot quickly.

  • James

    Time for Holgorsen and Luck to leave now that they have got us stuck in the Big 12 !

  • pope

    WVU is not that bad, Baylor is THAT good. I'm sorry but I'm gonna say it. Baylor should be pissed to be at #15 in the country. Clemson #3? Haha, Baylor would destroy Clemson. I'm also going to be the first to say this. Alabama's defense could not handle this offense. Now, could Baylor's defense handle Alabama's offense? Not sure. Baylor's your Big 12 champion and will destroy whatever team they face in the BCS. I hope its Alabama to see what this offense does against the best in the land.
    As for the rest of this back and forth about Dana, give it some time, he's learning about being a head coach. A great lesson he learned is do not put all your time into one QB ala Geno. Recruit and spell your O line (ours is a disappointment). We will be o.k. I'd like to see us get a mobile QB to work in this system to see how a young man who's a threat to run could make this offense or last years offense even more dynamic.

  • David Elswick

    As an offense coordinator Dana was GREAT. As a Head Coach, Dana has failed.

    Dana continues to focus on having the fastest offense on the field. And putting all the blame on the players and coaches when WVU doesn't win with his approach. The problem is that Head Coach Dana is not doing whatever it takes to win as a Head Coach. Sometimes you can win more, by slowing down your offense tempo so your defense doesn't take the field. So far, Dana has shown no understanding of that concept.

    Bobby Bowden retired as the winning coach in Div-1 history. When Bonny was the Head Coach at WVU, fans were upset that Bobby lost (once again) to Penn State. After the game, the fans went to Bobby's office and invited him to come outside and explain why WVU had lost. Bobby said he took the smart approach and left by the back door.

    Former Head Coach Don Nehlan - #17 winningest coach in Div-1, had WVU in a title game aginst Notre Dame (coach by WV native Lou Holtz). But when Nehlan's winning slumped, he was forced out and replaced with Rich Rod.

    When Rich Rod was leading WVU to a national tile game before losing to a poor 3-7 Pitts team, the outcry was so bad - Rich left town.

    When Bill Stewart could not get the offense working well, Oiver Luck hired Dana Holgerson as "Head Coach in Waiting".

    I think its time for Luck to take action again. Either Dana starts using "clock management techniques" or Luck should hire WVU's next "Coach in Waiting".

    Maybe if Luck had not been so focused on the media contract, having his name mentioned as the next AD at Texas, etc - WVU would already have a replacement for Dana?

    • Brad

      We absolutely needed the media contract with Img... Being an AD isn't just about hiring coaches.. Your main focus is about bringing money into the program.. If you wanna be a top tier program, that takes a lot of money.....

      Quick question for all you experts.. Why wasn't Rich Rod fired after his 3rd year? He was 8-5 & got DESTROYED by MD twice that year by a combined 75-14.... He couldn't make adjustments & whatever else needed to even make those games honorable....O' & 8-5 was good enough to tie 1st place in the big east......


      All I remember hearing was, he's playing with Don's guys, when his guys become jr & sr's it'll be different.......& guess what? It was!!! So why can't we give Dana a chance to recruit & develop his players....

      Before 2005 nobody was demanding perfection then? (Anybody with any brains anyways)
      But after that little taste of it, you people are demanding that it happens now!!
      & does anybody remember Bill Stewarts clock management that cost us the Colorado game? & 2008 losing to ECU 24-3.....

      24-3!!!
      & we were ranked #8??!!!
      Are you freaking kidding me???

      I knew then it'd be a tough few years...

      I've been a wvu fan since my 1st game in 1978... & I finally see light at the end of the tunnel, & we give Dana time to build a top tier program, we will win a title within 5 years.... Baylor is for real..& Art Briles took 5 years to build them up to reload instead of rebuilding.....




      Bobby Bowden - Bowden went 1-6 against Top 25 teams during his time as the Mountaineers' Head Coach before he was run out of town. He ended up at FSU and is currently the winningest FBS coach in history.


      Frank Cignetti - After taking over for Bowden, Cignetti went 1-9 against Top 25 teams before being unceremoniously fired.


      Don Nehlen - The Hall of Fame coach went 2-6 against Top 25 teams during his first three seasons. He finished his career at West Virginia with a horrendous 14-41-2 record against Top 25 teams. From 1985 to 1993, West Virginia won only a single game against a Top 25 opponent. (1988 & 1993 were undefeated seasons)



      Rich Rodriguez - Rodriguez started out by losing his first six games against Top 25 teams. Even with those amazing Pat White teams, he still finished under .500, going 11-14 against Top 25 opponents.


      Bill Stewart - Stewart only played four Top 25 teams during his time as head coach, where he went 2-2... and that includes the Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma.


      Dana Holgorsen - Even with the stumbles of late, Dana Holgorsen is currently 5-4 against Top 25 teams, and he's only in the midst of his third season as head coach.

    • Rob

      We absolutely needed the media contract with Img... Being an AD isn't just about hiring coaches.. Your main focus is about bringing money into the program.. If you wanna be a top tier program, that takes a lot of money.....

      Quick question for all you experts.. Why wasn't Rich Rod fired after his 3rd year? He was 8-5 & got DESTROYED by MD twice that year by a combined 75-14.... He couldn't make adjustments & whatever else needed to even make those games honorable....O' & 8-5 was good enough to tie 1st place in the big east......


      All I remember hearing was, he's playing with Don's guys, when his guys become jr & sr's it'll be different.......& guess what? It was!!! So why can't we give Dana a chance to recruit & develop his players....

      Before 2005 nobody was demanding perfection then? (Anybody with any brains anyways)
      But after that little taste of it, you people are demanding that it happens now!!
      & does anybody remember Bill Stewarts clock management that cost us the Colorado game? & 2008 losing to ECU 24-3.....

      24-3!!!
      & we were ranked #8??!!!
      Are you freaking kidding me???

      I knew then it'd be a tough few years...

      I've been a wvu fan since my 1st game in 1978... & I finally see light at the end of the tunnel, & we give Dana time to build a top tier program, we will win a title within 5 years.... Baylor is for real..& Art Briles took 5 years to build them up to reload instead of rebuilding.....

      • Maxxajay

        @Rob..Great post ..One of the best....all true...

  • doug

    Oliver Luck said he will not take the Texas job if offered. But.....Rich said he wasn't going to Michigan at the same time his agent was meeting with them. We will see which one is a man of their word. Luck has a lot more freedom at WVU than he would at Texas. And he like building programs.

    • Rob

      Luck didn't say he wouldn't take the job.. He said he wouldn't comment about the job...

      • Hillboy wv

        Thats the way i understood it rob

  • wvajoker

    Where is William. The other three are at the corral gate braying.

  • pghmountaineer

    With respect to Ollie, he's a smart man. Smart enough to see what's happening in football and basketball. It's not fixable with the current staff.
    He's gone and on his way to Texas. He doesn't want to get any more blame then necessary for these programs going into a tailspin. It will require an entire house cleaning. Not going to be pretty and will take years to repair it.

  • pghmountaineer

    For the most part our recruits are good enough to play in this conference. It's the coaching. Look at the recruiting classes of Baylor, Okla. State, Va. Tech, Kansas St. and so on. No better than ours. But do you see them giving up the kind of points that we do. Look at Baylor, they lost a heisman trophy winner. I don't see much of a drop off in the quarterback play. I still think it boils down to coaching. We don't seem to be able to coach them up.

    • Chet Ubetcha

      To your point they haven't played Baylor yet either, even factoring in the 72 points they scored, the defense is giving up 12 points a game less than last year. Top 3 offenses down, it's obviously an improved unit.

  • big tom

    he was a great recruiter both at wvu and florida, now it's really hard to recruit to marsha, and he really isn't getting much unless you count the ones who failed at other schools, or were, or , are, academically challenged and only marsha can sign them.

  • Joe

    Great comments on all sides guys, but a quick question if ok.....

    How was Doc Holliday as a recruiter? Heard from long time 'eers fans he was an extremely good recruiter during the years he was here. Sorry for the stupid question, but don't know much about the recruiting process.

    Joe

    • Rick S.

      Joe, I am not a recruiting expert, but I have heard from people inside the game and who follow these things that Doc Holliday was an excellent recruiter and that is the primary reason he was hired by WVU.

  • SPIKE BISHOP

    I Think Everyone Is In Shock Because The Big 12 Is Big Time!! The Big Least Is Was A Joke Of A Conference. It Takes A Different Type Of Player To Play In The Big 12. Yes, It'll Be Hard Trying To Play Our 3 Star Recruits Against Their 4-5 Star Recruits. And The Biggest Thing Against Playing For WVU Is It's Location. Our Winters Aren't Really What You'd Call A Plus For The Southern Recruits. As Far As Stew, Gosh Darn, He Played What RR Had Left!!

    • Rick S.

      I am still not sure about just how good the Big 12 is. Big 12 schools do a great job of beating up on FCS schools and lower-tier FBS schools, but overall, the Big 12 as a whole has a losing record against other BCS conferences. Of course, the sample size is low because most Big 12 teams just don't play games against other BCS schools. I guess they kind of follow the Big 10 model (play almost all non-conference games against the MAC).

      For the record, I read that over the past ten years, the Big East has the second-best record in non-conference games, trailing only the SEC, for whatever that is worth.

    • big tom

      we need a state of the art, indoor practice facility for the football team, and we need it right now,,, not in three yrs..

  • Bill

    We have always hired an assistant that had to learn on the job. thats who we are.

    • JoeC

      That assumption is incorrect. The last hire before Holgerson without Head Coaching experience was Frank Cignetti. How did that turn out? Three 5 and 6 records and one two and nine record before he was fired. Bobby Bowden had head coaching expericence at Samford, Don Nehlen was the head coach at Bowling Green for eight seasons (where he upset Purdue and Syracuse), Rich was Head Coach and Athletic Director at Glenville (when the WVIAC went from NAIA to NCAA Division II) and Stew was, while not sucesssful, the Head Coach at VMI. Even though they were not the size of WV, these men had experience coordinating and operating a football program.

  • big tom

    bet the bank, if Ollie is offered the texas ad job, he's gone, and who am I to blame him.
    and I will bet the bank, he won't take dana with him...

    next time we hire a HC, how bout hiring one that doesn't have to learn on the job, who has a impressive track record, and we give the money that it takes to get him.

    • Pudge

      If he goes to Texas (and probably will), why take Holgs? He could have just about anybody he wanted to come down and coach.

      • JimJim

        If Lucky is as smart as you say he is, then he will not take the Dude with him.

  • Maxxajay

    Talk about recruiting... We already have half of 2014 committed already.... That is one less per year of Bill Stewarts juniors and seniors this year's team .... They should be on the team they are not there because he didn't recruit or sign them ....WVU is playing mostly sophomores and freshmen's this year ... Very few juniors and seniors....That is why we have had to start almost all over...I know most of you don't like to see this because you don't understand how a football program is built and reload every year... That is where we are as West Virginia football and admit it ...it is what it is ...take it or leave it ...Dana will be the coach until he's ready to leave... Oliver Luck is a very very smart intelligent man he knows what it takes for this program to get where everybody wants it to be ...it will happen.. Like it or not.

    • JimJim

      Tell me again where Lucky has built a winning program. NFL Europe, Houston soccer league?

    • Bryan

      Thank you Maxxajay I couldn't agree more with what you said, better days ahead all is not lost in Morgantown West Virginia.

      Go Mountaineers!!!!

  • willie

    ...and they will be here in Morgantown with that same speed next year. Wow...