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Kansas fans celebrate an end to the Jayhawks’ 27-game Big 12 losing streak.

 

MORGANTOWN, W.Va. — After his team not only lost to Kansas, but required two garbage-time scores to make a 31-19 final actually look presentable, Dana Holgorsen surmised that West Virginia’s defense “laid down” to an extent that affected the guys on the other side of the ball.

So much for compartmentalizing.

“Defensively, we didn’t play with very much energy,” Holgorsen said. “Our offense has relied on our defense all year, and when they saw the defense giving up points, I think our offense shook.”

To be fair, the offense had looked shaken before: Baltimore anyone? Manhattan? The spuh-spuh-sputtering last mile against Texas Tech? But a loss to Kansas—the ultimate shame these days—can leave a coach maddened and grasping at explanations that don’t necessarily fit.

With that, let’s lay down some evaluations of how West Virginia’s units performed Saturday in this, the “I’ll Be Home for Christmas” edition of the Monday Morning Stock Report:

QUARTERBACK
Paul Millard finished 23-of-42 passing for 242 yards, but his turnover woes continued, highlighted by a point-blank interception he threw at 6-foot-3 Ben Goodman. The linebacker returned it 54 yards to the WVU 14 leading to a touchdown.
Millard’s second interception—and his fourth in two games—was spied by linebacker Ben Heeney, whose 28-yard return to the 1 led to another TD and a 31-7 Kansas lead.
While 50-mph gusts prohibited WVU from throwing downfield in the first and fourth quarters, Millard used the short game to be at his most productive during those two periods (15-of-24 for 136 yards). He led all three touchdown drives into the wind, two of those came in the final 6:24.
RUNNING BACKS
It’s a shame Charles Sims won’t be going to a bowl this season, considering he tops the Big 12 with 1,317 yards from scrimmage, leads running backs with 43 catches and ranks fifth in rushing (86 yards per game). He finished with 99 yards on 16 carries Saturday and made two catches for 27 yards. He had one score rushing and and receiving, tying him for the league lead with 12 touchdowns.
With Sims gone next season, watch for Wendell Smallwood to show similar versatility. The freshman, who leads WVU’s backs in yards per carry this season (5.9), ran for 33 yards on seven carries and made two catches for 42 yards at KU.
With the Jayhawks sporting the conference’s second-worst run defense, and with Millardone wonders why West Virginia didn’t stay with its ground game even more.
“There’s run plays that are called, and if (the defense) overloads, we throw the screen,” said offensive coordinator Shannon Dawson. “That probably happened 12 or 14 times throughout this game.”
Former Kansas commitment Dreamius Smith had a ho-hum homecoming, with four carries for 12 yards.

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Kansas cornerback JaCorey Shepherd (24) breaks up a pass intended for West Virginia receiver Mario Alford.

 

RECEIVERS
Kevin White was flagged for holding and offensive pass interference, producing almost as many penalties (two) as he did catches (three). The big junior caught a 3-yard touchdown on a fade route but also had one of West Virginia’s three drops.
“I let one get off my hands,” he said. “We just didn’t come out fighting—special teams, offense and defense … especially offense. We make plays against Texas and we can’t make plays against Kansas. It’s just frustrating.”
While Daikiel Shorts made six grabs for 40 yards, he dropped a fourth-down pass at the KU 39 when things turned desperate in the third quarter. Jordan Thompson (three screen catches for 14 yards) also dropped a pass over the middle.
The standout of the group for the second straight week was Mario Alford (three reception for 76 yards), who broke two tackles on a 46-yarder. Vernon Davis, after making one catch all season (and it came on a Jet sweep), caught three passes for 20 yards, including a nice sideline catch.
OFFENSIVE LINE
While it wasn’t a horrible power-blocking performance for the offensive line (4.7 yards per carry), Charles Sims’ 27-yard run on the game’s first snap was the only big play the run game produced. Against a Kansas defense playing out the string, you’d expect more.
“Any week you can lose to any team. This is the Big 12—this ain’t the Big East anymore,” said senior center Pat Eger. “They outplayed us. Hats off to them. It sucks.”
Kansas generated two sacks—the first with a three-man rush that knocked WVU out of field-goal range; the second with a stunt that confused the line and nearly resulted in a safety. Those came during a string of 12 possessions when West Virginia didn’t dent the scoreboard.
Right tackle Curtis Feigt (sprained left knee) departed with about five minutes left in the half and did not return. His absence meant more snaps for Adam Pankey, who figures to be a starter next season. Pankey’s first snap Saturday, however, resulted in an illegal motion penalty.
DEFENSIVE LINE
Trouble was apparent from the Jayhawks’ opening snap, when James Sims gashed WVU for 11 yards up the middle. By afternoon’s end, the senior had 211 yards and three touchdowns, averaging 9.6 per carry. Kansas piled up 315 team rushing yards, reminiscent of the dominant ground games Oklahoma (316 yards) and Baylor (476 yards) enjoyed against the Mountaineers.
Will Clarke’s 10 tackles and two TFLs were a bright spot, but his missed one-on-one tackle led to Sims’ 62-yard second-quarter run off a read-option. “He had his arms around him. He’s bear-hugging him. Should have been a TFL. Got him wrapped up, doesn’t finish the play,” said WVU defensive coordinator Keith Patterson.
Kansas gave freshman quarterback Montell Cozart a manageable system, and WVU’s defensive front did little to disrupt it. He ran 13 times for 60 yards and had plenty of time to throw on the rare occasions he did.
“Those guys just flat-out came out and wanted it more than we did,” sid nose tackle Shaq Rowell. “Those guys knew we were playing for a bowl bid, and they said, ‘We’re going to take their bowl bid away.’ They’re not going to a bowl game so they spoiled our dreams too.”
LINEBACKERS
When Kansas repeatedly ran the ball from four-receiver spread sets, WVU split linebackers Nick Kwiatkoski and Isaiah Bruce wide into coverage and left Tyler Anderson manning the middle. In those situations the senior Anderson, subbing for the injured Jared Barber, struggled to shed blocks.
But with 39 seconds left in the half, against a more conventional unbalanced KU run formation, Anderson and Kwiatkoski were in the middle and being blocked on what became Sims’ career-long 68-yard touchdown run. Kansas coach Charlie Weis admitted he ran the short toss to Sims in hopes of setting up a pre-half Hail Mary, never imagining the play would go the distance. “There was one play that we had from an unbalanced formation that I thought could get us a chunk (of yardage), and if we got a chunk, we’d call a timeout and try to go to the end zone,” Weis said. “The chunk was a lot bigger chunk than I was expecting.”
The same feeling engulfed a miffed Patterson: “It’s just letting your guard down.”
Kwiatkoski finished with eight tackles and a fumble recovery, the third straight week he has factored in a turnover. Bruce had four tackles (but missed two), while Buck linebacker Brandon Golson was neutralized with only one stop. Golson’s backup, true freshman Marvin Gross, made one tackle, dropping Cozart for a 7-yard loss on an option keeper.

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Kansas running back James Sims ran for 211 yards and three touchdowns in a 31-19 victory over West Virginia.

 

SECONDARY
Let’s hope the image of safety Darwin Cook pulling up lame as James Sims raced off to a 68-yard TD isn’t the last we see of “Cookie.” We’ll learn more about his leg/hip/groin injury on Monday and perhaps whether he’ll be able to play on Senior Day against Iowa State.
But Cook’s participation on that play—and his inability to stop Sims for a 15-yard gain instead of the gamebreaker that resulted—was a huge miscalculation.
“We had Cookie on the field and obviously he couldn’t play. That’s probably my fault,” Patterson said. “You know Cookie—he’s not going to tell you the full story. He wants to be on the field.”
On James Sims’ earlier 62-yard run, cornerback Daryl Worley was blocked on the edge by receiver Justin McKay for several seconds, helping spring the big play.
With Kansas patiently committed to the run, the defensive backs weren’t tested much in coverage. (Cozart completed 5-of-12 for 61 yards—the fewest yards for a winning opponent against WVU in 24 years.) But Worley certainly looked like toast when McKay streaked past him only to be overthrown by Cozart on what should have been a 70-yard touchdown.
Travis Bell replaced Cook and forced a fourth-quarter fumble, leading to WVU’s final touchdown drive.
SPECIAL TEAMS
Despite getting no penetration, Kansas blocked WVU’s end-of-half 42-yard field goal try. That ended Josh Lambert’s string of 10 consecutive makes and gave KU added juice heading into the locker room. “That was a bigger play than anyone will remember,” Weis said.
Thompson muffed Trevor Pardula’s 54-yard wind-aided punt, setting off a loose-ball scramble that cost WVU 15 yards and forced the offense to start at its own 5.
Wendell Smallwood’s 56-yard kick return to the Kansas 32 was negated by a holding call on Justin Arndt. WVU started that possession on its 10-yard line instead.
COACHING
Despite constant warnings that WVU couldn’t afford a hangover from the previous week’s loss to Texas, one existed nonetheless. A Kansas team forced to synthesize spoiler objectives for its final three games somehow played hungrier than WVU, which still harbored bowl hopes.
“That’s way we have to learn—you can’t have such a thing” as a hangover, Patterson said. “You can’t take a week off, you can’t take a day off, you can’t take a practice off. There’s no one in our league that can’t play.”
Head coach Dana Holgorsen said he apologized to WVU’s 12 seniors after Saturday’s loss eliminated them from bowl contention. He also made the curiously candid assessment that his program “is not equipped to handle wear and tear of the Big 12.”
That sounds like something you’d expect to hear from Charlie Weis or Paul Rhoads, but given the sorry state of Saturday’s outcome, such is West Virginia’s present company.

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Dana Holgorsen reacts to a special-teams penalty during Saturday’s 31-19 loss to Kansas.
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Comments

  • keystone mountaineer

    When the coaches start acting like adults and not a bunch of teenagers, perhaps they will get some respect from the players. How about starting by quit wearing baseball caps backwards when you are 40 +. Would you send your son to play for the current coaching staff if he had other D1 offers?

    • Pruntytown

      Would you send your child to the number one party school in the country?

      • WVcoal

        I didn't read anywhere in the article about WVU being a party school. Notwithstanding, there won't be any WVU bowl parties this year.

    • BigEerFull

      YES

      • Pruntytown

        My point exactly. Be proud of who you are and where you are from. I'm tired of everyone turning there back on the team, the university, and ultimately the state because of a football GAME.

        • Jason

          I dont think anybody mentioned moving out of state...because you are frustrated with the state of a football program you root for, doesn't mean you do not have state pride...as a MU fan..we had to deal with 10 years or so of a poor program...kind of a similiar mess...we had a great DC that was given a shot to be a HC and it turned out he wasnt a good HC...like Holg is a good OC, but just not a good HC...it is what it is...I am glad we have Doc, he is a great recruiter and so far, not a bad HC, seems he is pointing the program in the right direction...not sure what the answer is for WVU, the buyout for Holg is A LOT...you have to give the guy another year or maybe two so he has a complete cycle of 5 years of his system, players, and coaches...but some house cleaning may be in order in Morgantown sooner or later. Best of luck!

          • Pruntytown

            I agree. WVU needs to offer Doc Holliday the head coach position before USC, Texas, Notre Dame, or some other big school grabs up. I can think of 3 million reasons he might be interested.

    • Country Roads

      You're spot on Keystone. DeForest looks like a high school assistant on the sideline. And if you watch closely, you will notice DeForest always sucking up to DH, after any decent play (rare though that may be). Of course, I'd be sucking up to him too, if he got me a half million dollar salary when I sucked as a coach at any position.

    • Big Larry

      BREAKING NEWS!!!

      Dana "The Man in Black" Holgorsen has just moved up to #3 in the latest Coaches Hot Seat Ranking released today.

      http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

      Holgorsen moved past Kansas coach Charlie Weiss who dropped down to #5.

      Still no word from Oliver Luck who has been in isolation this entire football season.

      We witnessed a train wreck Saturday and we have Oliver Luck to thank for it.

      It is what it is...

  • Tom

    Great photo of Dana "I want my mommy" Holgerson.

    • WV alum

      Note the black mourning colors he wears!

      • john b

        He wears the black so his QB can see him more easily than wearing gold or blue on a sideline that everyone most days will be wearing. I asked him that question myself at a WVU function last night in NYC! His answer is adequate so now we can move on to a topic more important than the color of his shirt!

  • Larry

    Also, the picture of Holgerson is priceless.

  • Larry

    WV as a state has always been and will always be irrelevant in big time college sports, just accept it.

    • Barrett

      You summed it up right there. I spent twelve years in Knoxville, TN and that was the best college football atmosphere around. WV just will always be middle of the road. I love the Mountaineers but until you go around the country and watch some big time college football, you don't get it. I finally got it.

      • Larry

        I feel the same, I would always like to see them do well, but I am also a realist.

      • WVWho

        +1 Barrett, been to many SEC games myself (knoxville in particular) and it's just a different monster. WVU has benefited from getting great effort from 2-3 star players in an average football conference and then were able to win one big game a year and think they were a powerhouse program. Still pulling in 2-3 stars and now they aren't even being coached up? Hope the Big 12 royalties were worth it.

      • JT

        Here's the deal: Holg is not a head coach, he is a blame shifter. It's always someone else's fault, even when he claims "it starts w/ me." He was a reach when hired & is nowhere near the "offensive guru" he was touted to be. He must go along w/ the rest of the misfit staff he has assembled, especially Dawson.
        That being said, this staff does not represent the history of WVU football. People act like we've never been relevant & that is simply ridiculous. 3 out of the 4 BCS bowl wins, all of which we were underdogs in says you can continue to count us out but we will rise again.
        We will find a coach that cares about the state & the state of WVU football & we will be fine.
        What does need to happen is a culture change. We need fans who care more about football than getting drunk. Winning a game is cause for celebration not flipping cars or trashing your own city. We also need fans that stick by our team not people who act like we've never been good at anything.
        The games lost this year fall squarely on this staff. No way around it. Sure, they can't play for them but the schemes & play calls, wasted time outs & flat out cluelessness. This team was a reflection of the staff & it was glaringly obvious all year long.
        Universities are bigger than a lackluster staff. I see guys mentioning Tennessee. Great example. I lived there for almost 7 yrs & went to dozens of games. It is a great atmosphere but they could tell you as well as any what it's like to make a bad hire! Hello! Remember Derek Dooley? How about Lane Kiffin? Tennessee hasn't done squat since '98 but you know what? Neyland stadium & that entire city is a sea of orange every time they play at home. Why? Because there is buy in. They stick with their team.

        This too shall pass.

        • al

          Very well said. I agree with what someone else said in another post - I was at the Texas game. I have never seen so many drunks at a ball game. It was pathetic and embarrassing. We sat next to some Texas fans, very nice people. They remarked several times that they couldn't believe the amount of drunks everywhere- people falling down, foul language.....They said "is it always like this?" And I told them the truth - there has always been our fair share of drinking, (as with any college football game) but it has gotten far worse since the beer sales in the game. It is very sad that you can't even feel comfortable taking you younger kids to a Mountaineer game without drunks falling on them and spilling beer on them.

          • Larry

            I'm with you there, the behavior of a large portion of the fans is deplorable.

          • leroy jethro gibbs

            fan behaviour was bad in early 2000's when i had season tickets. told my 12 yo son we werent coming back

          • JT

            Al,
            You are correct. Our fan behavior is awful. Not a place for kids. People need to control themselves. You can drink & have a good time without ruining everyone else's.
            Larry,
            Apparently you not only troll our sites but you attend games as well since you know so much about our fan behavior.
            Probably a Pitt fan based on your trolling tendencies.

          • OldSkool

            The drunks seemed to be out in full force at the Texas game. We had beer spilled on us but this is usual since the beer sales began. One of the drunks setting a row behind us stumbled and fell onto my wife, hurting her back. I don't mind someone drinking a beer and enjoying the game, but this has gotten out of hand. Thank you, Oliver Luck.

          • al

            For the life of me, I don't understand why people would spend all that money to attend a game and then not even be able to remember it. Maybe that is why so many are drunk this year - they don't want to remember the games.

          • Barrett

            My son is 8 and I wouldn't take him to Morgantown for football. I would take him to Knoxville.

        • pghmountaineer

          Good points JT

        • Shadow

          With his blame shifting, is he a relative our beloved President? It might be a family hand own.

      • Poca J

        Now how many BCS games has Tennessee played in the last 10 years much less win?

      • mike

        It helps when you have a big city, per capita we are one of the best.

    • Graywv

      What a short memory you have, we have played in some of the biggest game in college football
      a national title, biggest bowl games, and many college coachs have come to WVU to learn our systems! Your spoiled and a sorry excuse to be a fan, let alone a WVU fan!

      • Larry

        Yes, and whenever they have played for a national championship, they lost, there's just no reason to believe that WVU nor definitely Marshall could ever win a national championship in mens basketball or football, the only 2 sports that matter.

        • WV Proud

          You evidently have no real grip on college sports. You need to get in Crimson Tide corner. If all you are after is a National Title, then give Nick S. a call. As for me I will stay with the Mountaineers Win, Lose or Draw. You remind me of a disenchanted 18 year old.

          • Larry

            You remind me of someone who likes watching terrible, losing, mediocre football teams!

      • Duane

        @Graywv
        We've had four seasons that were elite (87 93 05 07). That does not make us an elite program. 05 and 07 doesn’t happen if Miami, VT, and BC would have stayed in the Big East. RichRod’s win totals in his first four seasons in a watered down Big East 3, 9, 8, and 8. Don Nehlen’s win totals his last seven years 7, 5, 8, 7, 8, 4, and 7. Dang....that's an elite program. Let me guess...you started watching in 2005?

        • Pruntytown

          Where did @Graywv use the word "elite"? I believe you chose to use that. Please stop using "we" when referring to WVU, you are clearly not worthy or elite.

          • Duane

            I have a degree from WVU pal. Can you say the same? I’ve been going to WVU football games most of my life, and yes most of the uninformed band wagoners think we are elite. I was simply replying to his remark on short memories. Seems most of you only started watching WVU football in 2005.

          • Pruntytown

            I have a bachelors degree and a masters degree from WVU. Maybe "WE" had some classes together?

            You are elite in my book.

      • Troll is back

        If you don't finish #1 it doesn't matter where you finish it's all the same. And we have never been seriously close to #1 the two games that some think were for #1 weren't close, remember the close up of Studstill with his helmet turned sideways? Even the supposedly good years ended in easy wins for the opponent.

    • Pruntytown

      You are correct. WV is a pittiful state full of obese, depressed, drug addicts. We should quit playing sports all together and just give up. If we can't beat up on lesser teams there is no reason to play.
      Isn't that the sign of a true Mountaineer, give up when things get tough?

      • Larry

        No, they shouldn't quit playing, the fans just have to be realistic, be happy with an occasional 7, 8 or 9 win season, bowl win once in a while, run to the sweet sixteen or final four every 10 or 15 years, but do not expect to win national championships, it's not going to happen.

        • Pruntytown

          You are either the best pot stirrer or world's worst fan. "Irrelevant"? Your word not mine. Winning 9 games in DI football and a run to the sweet sixteen is not irrelevant. People across the country and the world know about WV because of WVU athletics. We may not be the biggest or the best but we are still apart of the game, which means we are relevant. Having lived in Germany and Alabama (not too similar) I can tell you people do know about us and all comment of what great fans we have. If they only know the truth

          • Larry

            Ask yourself this, when knowledgable college football fans start naming off successful programs down through the ages, how long would it take before they mention WVU or Marshall?

          • Pruntytown

            I guess that leaves you out, since you are clearly not knowledgable. Successful programs does not equate to "irrelavant". No one is claiming we are OSU, Michigan, or Alabama, but we do matter in the college football landscape. Have some pride and don't keep using the excuse "I'm a realist" to overcome your shortcomings.

          • Larry

            Pruntytown, I have figured out your problem, in addition to being named after a former correctional facility for youthful offenders, you are an unrealist, best wishes.

          • Pruntytown

            Way to go Colombu! You solved the riddle.

    • WV Proud

      What a DA. Where were you from 2005 - 2012. Was you there when Don Nehlan played for not one, two national titles. Grow up man

      • John b

        Played for 1 against Notre dame. Against fla was not for national championship

  • Big Dave

    The Sunday Gazette quoted a player (dang, I can't remember which one) as saying they just weren't in to the game.

    That blew me away. Bowl hopes on the line and you aren't in to the game??? Folks, that's coaching. Pitiful, awful, terrible coaching. It's no wonder this team plays like a high school team. Because their leader acts like a high schooler.

    • WVWho

      That's called not wanting to have to practice an extra month and play in a crappy, cold bowl game. This team is over the year and their championship game was Texas. Would you want to practice an extra 4 weeks for this staff? Doubt it.

    • Doug

      Its not just a coach. Why should a coach have to fire up someone who wants to play! Problem is, They don't want to play. I have seen this before at high school and college levels. You can say everything in the world to fire up a player, but if they are not into it. It will show. Maybe now the ones that return will know what its like to fail. What it's like to have a losing season. Maybe they will be fired up next year and fire up the new guys.

    • greg

      That was Kevin White. I posted his quote on Blue gold news. I can't remember word for word now, but he said that after we scored the first TD, the team on the sidelines didn't think they had to try to win and that they were never that into it. pathetic.

  • Brandon

    oh, and a good coach wouldn't stubbornly go for a 4th and 10 from their own 49 midway through the 3rd quarter down only 2 scores. And if I'm not mistaken, it was 4 straight pass plays when you had a quarterback who clearly was not in sync with his receivers. I was listening on the radio... did they ever call a play where they faked the run and had Millard roll out of the pocket instead of stand like a statue?
    Since 1984, WVU has been good when it had a mobile quarterback (Hoss, Major, Kelchner/Studstill, Marshall, even Jarrett Brown). We have been bad with pure pocket passers (remember Chad Johnston?)I say bag all three of these guys and throw in your chips with the freshman (William Crest) and recruit a second one to back him up. I like Trickett, but if he were my son, his career would be over. Concussions and other injuries have done him in. Childress should transfer. Millard is not D-1 caliber.

    • Pruntytown

      You make a good point. College football is all about the QB position. Look at the teams that are successful and those that are struggling, QB play is the constent. Remember this should have been Barry Burnetti (SP) and/or Jermey Johnson's senior year. They transfered while Stu was still coach (not blaming) and we had nothing left in the tank. Millard was an emergency back-up because there was literally no one behind Geno. Ford was suppossed to be the guy, and maybe he will be, but it did not appear so this year.

  • Brandon

    I have finally grown weary of two things from Holgs:
    1. Blaming the defense. Yes, they did not play well, but to suggest the offensive struggles were because of this is just wrong. They feed off each other. Look at how many games the defense played pretty well this year, only to finally fade when the offense couldn't put points on the board. Take the blame yourself, coach. You're not the "offensive genius" you think you are.

    2. "This is not the Big East". Of course the Big 12 is better, but if we were in the "new" Big East (or whatever it's called), we would still be (best case scenario) a 7-5 team this year.

    Sadly, we can't get rid of him...unless somebody out there can pony up the $11.3 million it would take to buy out his contract.

    • jrc1865

      We don't need $11.3 million to buyout his contract. WVU would take him to court and then would settle for about half. WVU would need about $6 million, then they would setup a payment plan to pay him in 4 to 6 years. So that's anywhere from $1.5 million to $1 million a year. WVU can swing that. Especially if it saves major donations that may dry up as well as ticket sells. And because of the court date taking a year or two, WVU probably has 1 to 2 years to statr paying. That would put us close to the FULL Big 12 payout.

  • Big Larry

    Wooooooo!!!!


    I told you so!!!!



    Wvu- 7
    ISU- 63

  • William

    As long as Dana " The Man in Black" Holgerson & Bob "Sweatsuit" Huggins are coaches at WVU, I HOPE THEY LOSE EVERY GAME!
    These two have been a embarrassment to the STATE OF WEST VIRGINIA!
    I'm Lovin' It
    It's a VERY SAD time to be a Mountaineer fan wherever you may be!

  • Rick S.

    I have read and heard a lot about how much tougher the Big 12 is than the Big East. Having watched a lot of games, it appears to me that the Big 12 is a slightly better conference as a whole than the Big East was. So I researched every game result for every Big 12 and Big East team over the past thirteen seasons (2000-2012) to see just how the conferences fared against each other (I only went thirteen seasons because data prior to 2000 is not easily accessible on the NCAA web site).

    In those thirteen seasons, Big 12 and Big East teams played 24 head-to-head games. And the Big East teams won fifteen of them.

    Yes, the Big 12 went a surprisingly poor 9-15 against the Big East in head-to-head match-ups. Who would have guessed that? Sometimes the objective facts do not match the subjective perceptions.

    • Big Dave

      This "it's not the Big East" argument flies out the window when Kansas beats you like a rented mule.

      Louisville. UCF. Houston. All would eat this team alive. Probably Cincinnati as well.

      • Jason

        no question about it

        • Jason

          not trying to stir anything up..but the way WVU played against Kansas, Marshall would have hung 56 on them.

          • OldSkool

            Good thing we didn't play Marshall this year!

  • rekterx

    Put me down as one who has no problem with Holgorsen saying his team is not built for the rigors of the B12. It's obvious that it is not.

    But the near complete lack of a quarterback is all on Holgorsen. Put a decent, and consistent, quarterback on the field and we probably have a bowl team.

  • wv4ever

    The comment should have been, "the coaching staff and I are not qualified to coach in the Big 12. We can't recruit, can't coach offense, can't coach defense, can't coach special teams at any level as long as I am the head coach."

  • Alum

    He also made the curiously candid assessment that his program “is not equipped to handle wear and tear of the Big 12.”

    Why is this curious Allan? He is saying what is obvious, the team has no depth. The question that should be asked is why is there no depth.

    • Dave in Motown

      It's curious because Holgorsen has "his" QB's along with most of the starters. The coaching staff is entirely "his". Remember that Luck brought in Holgorsen and his original offensive staff at a very high price (their salaries and the coaching staff they replaced) because "they know how to win in the Big 12" (Luck). Holgorsen blasted himself by saying WVU is not equipped. They pay him how much to lose in the Big 12? And Bill Stewart was let go because he wasn't the coach to lead WVU to the national championship. This coach can't lead them to a winning season with "his" team and he admits it!

      • Alum

        Who knew that Allan changed his name to Dave in Motown.

      • Alum

        Or maybe you publish the DP.

        • Dave in Motown

          Neither... Just Dave living in morgantown with an opinion like everyone else here

  • Rick

    We heard game after game, I'm the coach, it's my responsibility and the next game, same thing...
    Since this is a fine mess ollie got us into, it's time for him to step up and fire the coaching staff or the next president will fire all of them. I'm not sure we can wait till next year to fix this. It's time that the coaches really do take responsibility and quit.

    • squad

      not yet Rick, next year if we're here then ok....he is right, you cant beat any B12 team with 50% freshmen. yes we used to be the kings of the BE. we know now (at the end of another B12 year) just what that meant (have you seen Louisville's schedule???). it meant nothing'. competing in this football league is far beyond what anyone would have dreamed. we didn't want to believe it when the football world questioned our cred as BE champs. We've seen it first hand. Eat your crow , man up for the real ride and stop whining. Memo to WVU fans: A quick fix for this DOES NOT EXIST. Its now your turn to do your job: chill out have faith and REAL patience.

      • Neal

        I commend your loyalty, but I think you must be related to DH if you can't see that this HC has brought this program to its knees. While I'll admit that the B12 is in general a more difficult conference than the BE, this year that was not the case, the B12 was down this year. And you have to admit that the MD loss was an indicator of the direction that this program is headed. A mediocre (non B12) MD team totally outclasses us. I don't see OL firing DH this year or maybe not even after next year for two reasons. 1. DH is Luck's "guy". He hired him so he'll probably give him every chance possible to keep the job. 2. Buyout is too expensive. So like it or not DH will be around for at least 1-2 more years minimum. Maybe in that time he'll learn how to be a HC.

        • Steve

          Man we've lost to Maryland before, Qb play is the big deal . Playing a pile of Freshmen and sophomores don't help. DH still ha a lot to learn. To bad we're the guinea pig.

      • wvrefugee

        So, why are we in the Big 12 again???

  • WVcoal

    Everything about this team is wrong. The biggest shortcoming is the lack of heart and desire. When faced with "win your last two games vs sub-standard competition and get to a bowl" -- they wilted. I'm disappointed to say the least. I really hate bowl season when the Mounties are not in the mix somewhere.
    Wait 'til next year....LMFAO!

    • Jason

      WVU vs. Alabama game #1, that is going to leave a mark. They do play the Towson Tigers game #2 to try to help restore some confidence.

      • Justin

        we should be alabama. according to everyone on these boards wvu is such a powerhouse elite program.