CHARLESTON, W.Va. — The bill that would require a doctor’s prescription for some cold medicines is headed to the state Senate following passage Wednesday night by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Committee members sent the bill to the full Senate following more than two hours of discussion in which Harrison County Senator Sam Cann became emotional after hearing a Charleston police officer describe the state’s meth problem.

Cann opposed the law a year ago but told Lt. Chad Napier his position had changed.

I know what this stuff does,” Cann said, choking back tears. “If we do this, this helps you?”

It helps law enforcement tremendously,” Napier said.

The officer spent several minutes describing how residents buy cold medicines, break them down and make meth. Instead of responding to dozens of meth labs a year, Napier said officers could spend more time fighting prescription drug abuse and heroine—things that “are killing our kids.”

The bill would require those wanting cold medicines that contain pseudoephedrine—like Claritin-D, Advil Cold & Sinus and Sudafed—to get a prescription from a doctor.

I can tell you a year ago I didn’t think this was a smart thing to do. But based on our discussion today there’s no doubt in my mind,” Cann said.

The Consumer Healthcare Products Association released a statement after the committee’s vote:

“We are very disappointed that certain members of the West Virginia Senate have decided to cast a vote in favor of legislation that would impose significant burdens and higher healthcare costs on thousands of law-abiding West Virginia families,” said Carlos Gutiérrez, senior director and head of state government affairs for CHPA. “In addition to the serious burdens and costs associated it, there is also little evidence that the proposal would address the actual causes of the meth problem, particularly when one considers the serious prescription drug problem in the state and the prevalence of Mexican-made meth across the country. While we certainly commend the legislature for taking action to address the meth problem, we urge them to focus on solutions that target criminals, not honest West Virginia families.”

If the bill stays on schedule it could be up for final reading in the Senate next Monday.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • barry

    Its just sad that those cold n sinus meds work so well n save me n several hard working people who can't afford to miss work and pay co pays. Now u r just kicking us in the balls so to speak. Maybe we should exchange bank accounts. This Is bullshit just cause junkies. Well there r always going to b junkies my thing is y cut us working cut their welfare out to hell with them

  • Ron

    If the politicians want to do something, put the druggies in jail. Take their computers, televisions, private rooms and air conditioners. Make them work like the honest people do. Implement a zero tolerance program with 25 years automatic for the first offense. Come on politicians, deal with the druggies and leave the restbof us alone.

  • Ron

    Sock it to us. That all WV politics is good for anymore. The politicians don't have the guts to address the criminals. It is much easier to attack the working, tax paying, honest citizens of the state. After they put the reins on us, they turn around and use our tax dollars to give the druggies welfare, food stamps and a cell phone! None of them have the guts to require the crumbs to take a drug test before receiving their benefits. Most politicians are lawyers so why should we expect anything different from that class of crooks.

  • Debbie

    Well I don't work for the pharmaceutical companies either, but I still have enough sense to know how this will play out. Has requiring a rx for oxycodone or fentanyl lessened the abuse?? Absolutely not, it is at an epidemic level. All this will do is cause more expense in doctor visits to patients and insurers. I am personally tired of paying the bills for druggies and they still keep drugging. I have sinus difficulties and have had surgery twice because of them. I have enough sense to use sudafed responsibly. I have used it over 40 years and I have NEVER even seen meth. Hold the druggies responsible and stop making it everyone else's problem Here's a novel idea, when you lock them up, keep them. Like those in pain, sinus sufferers will have problems and the druggies will still get what they want, one way or another, they always do.

  • Brian

    yea what a joke of a law this . wait till one of these lawmakers has to spend some of there easy earned money to go get some cold medicine . with there clout they will just call there local doctor and ask for a prescription and send there erand boy down the road to get it fpicked up and filled .. what a stupid law it is not going to help with the meth problem and we know it and they know it . they are just actimng like they care when we all know they dont it is all a big PR move

  • steve

    just another verification on how stupid our so called lawmakers are in WV---there are more penalties for harming an animal than for a women to kill her unborn child...now they are making it difficult for seasonal allergy sufferers. Now they want us to to go to the doctor and pay a 75.00 office visit for an over the counter drug---you can see historically how stupid our elected officials are and we keep sending them back to Charleston........Under these Democrats West Virginia is always last or next to last in every category compared to other States...We need a change in the worst way....

  • Maxeer

    Once again the politicians are clueless. When bad people do bad things lets punish them all..Just another way to get $$ from working folks...pitiful...just plain pitiful

  • Chris

    This will never work. Prescriptions have really helped to keep painkillers under check haven't they?

  • Jenn

    I'm not sure how effective such a law will be in a relatively small state which is surrounded by states where the product will still be available over the counter. In much of the state, the dealers won't have to travel far to get pseudoephedrine and set up meth labs in the border counties.

  • Independent View

    If one wishes to create a societal problem then, either make it illegal or difficult to get!

  • Aussie01

    Why do the people in charge keep hurting the law abiding citizens for the few who break the law? If this law passes, it will cost be at least $40 for what was over the counter medicine.

    Another reason to vote all the incumbents out of office.

  • Ryan

    Let me start by saying that unlike many people who comment on websites and write letters to the editor, I do not work for the cold medicine industry.

    This industry statement "would impose significant burdens and higher healthcare costs on thousands of law-abiding West Virginia families" is the situation NOW. Law-abiding West Virginians are paying to clean up the meth labs, paying for the kids in foster care and paying for the burn units where kids are treated. We pay, the industry makes money. They don't care AT ALL if we pay, they care about their own profits and nothing else.

  • mdgold

    Meth makers will find other ways to make meth except with more dangerous ingredients. Tax payers will be burdened with having to take care of their medical needs after they destroy their bodies.

    • WVPharmacist

      If you know organic chemistry, you can make meth. Getting raw ingredients to do so is extremely difficult since 9-11. Purchasing any quantity of certain chemicals requires proof of credentials and you should still expect a knock on the door by the ATF or DEA or Homeland Security.

      Will this bill stop all meth in WV. Absolutely NOT.

      Will it (potentially) help to stop diversion and decrease the number of meth labs? Well, we went from unregulated to implementing a tracking system in 2006. The tracking system didn't work. This is the next, an extremely overdue, next step.

  • WVPharmacist

    I worked in retail chain pharmacy for 20+ years. I have seen the lines of meth makers forming immediately after a shipment arrives. It's disgusting.

    Retail pharmacies make MORE money with over the counter sales. In fact, 50% of the cost is straight profit. If it is a prescription, they will only make $1-2. That is why companies like Rite Aid have (on the record) strongly opposed any and every previous attempt to make this drug have prescription status. It cuts into their profits.

    Personally, I believe doctors offices will more than likely assess the need and abuse potential in a case by case basis, but I suspect that they will not have a problem calling in scripts for patients whom they know and treat.

    This bill makes it difficult for the people who travel from Kentucky and Ohio to purchase in WV, unless they have a script. "Tracking" programs are useless. Meth makers pay others to purchase products for them. It has been documented as a significant problem in California, as well as other states, for years.

    Everyone who is bashing this bill needs to remember, meth is NOT like marijuana or cocaine... It is not grown. It is made. It takes one (1) hour to turn pseudoephedrine into methamphetamine. It doesn't take a lab. It doesn't take any source of heat. People make it in backpacks, portion it out, and sell it. From purchase to having sold it all can happen in as little as two hours.

    Simply put, meth kills. A law requiring a prescription means no more having to have your drivers license and all the info it contains (and yes, currently every piece of info is recorded and put into a database) and regularly given to the police. Instead, it would go into the Board of Pharmacy's database, compiled, and just as with all other controlled substances in this state, only if certain criteria are met would your information be flagged. (i.e. Going to three doctors on the same day to get the same medication AND getting all three scripts filled at different pharmacies that day.) Sound incredibly unlikely that anyone would do that? It's not. Happens every week.

    Did a "few people" mess up and "get everyone punished"? NO.

    Did lot of corporations turned a blind eye in leu of profits? Did the public get misinformed by the corporations dumping money into lobbyists pockets? Was the media mislead as to just how wide spread a problem meth really is?

    One last point... Retail pharmacists have routinely been disciplined or even fired if they speak out in favor of prescription only status. This is a huge problem because with three pharmacy schools pumping out pharmacists, jobs are few and far between. In 2006, a pharmacist could stand their ground. Now, pharmacists are seen as disposable by corporations.

    • Red Dwarf

      Simple. Quit punishing the majority of innocent, law abiding people for the minority.

      Do you go this overboard over cigarettes or alcohol which doesn't need a prescription? I think not.

    • Aaron

      The problem with that assessment is that the facts do not back you up. In Oregon, which has the strictest ban nationwide, tracking is what is given credit for reducing the number of labs, not the ban.

      In fact, numbers have shown that not only did the ban fail as meth is STILL readily available in Oregon, it is skyrocketed the cost for patients who truly need the product.

      Instead of passing a bill based on anecdotal evidence, our legislature needs to look at the facts and base a bill on those. If they do, the Senate will defeat this bill.

      • Jason412

        There's a huge difference between meth being available through Mexican sources and meth labs.

        Oregon went from 232 labs in 2005 to 67 in 2006. Mississippi went from 937 labs in 2010 to 321 in 2011, the year they passed the law.

        This is not intended to eradicate meth, it's to stop the labs.

        • Aaron

          I've posted a couple of links detailing what I said above. Part of the reason support for a WV prescription requirement is gaining traction is incorrect information like what you've posed above Jason. Research the topic and see for yourself.

          • Aaron

            I haven't honestly looked at Mississippi'a law because the only information I see is put out by the state of Mississippi.

            I have researched Oregon's law although it's been a year or so ago, and everything it's set for the information put out from the state indicates that the decline and math labs occurred before the law went into effect. Surrounding states also saw similar declines in the number of their meth labs as well.

            While there have small reductions that can be attributed to the ban, I don't believe that it's worth the increased cost of a product that is primarily used by law-abiding citizens.

            But then I'm big on civil rights and minimal government intrusion into our daily lives. I think if the government could do if they truly want to address our drug problem. the best thing they can do is legalize drugs and stop wasting money policing, prosecuting and jailing individuals for personal choices.

            Imagine what we as a society to do with the billions we spend on the failed war on drugs.

          • Jason412

            You focus on Oregon, but Mississippi has a very similar law.

            While it's true Oregon's seizures were on the decline before the law taking place, Mississippi's certainly were not and had been increasing until the law took effect.

            "Oregon's bill did not take place until 2006, well after the reduction of meth labs. " Oregon's seizures weren't below 200 until 2006, the year the law took effect they dropped to 67. In 2011, Oregon only had 11 lab seizures. One article I read quoted an Oregon DA as saying the state had seen a 96% decrease in labs seized, and a 32% decrease in meth related arrests since 2006.

            Mississippi had 440 in 2008, 960 in 2009, 937 in 2011, and 321 in 2011 the year the law was passed. I find it hard to believe a 67% decrease in a single year had nothing to do with it becoming prescription only.

            If tracking was the solution WV wouldn't of seen an 85% increase in seizures in 2013.

            When you say meth is "still readily available" in Oregon, are you accounting for the fact Oregon has one of the most established Mexican drug trafficking pipelines in the US? I'm sure no one expected pseudoephedrine being prescription only to stop Mexican drug trafficking, as that would be an unreasonable expectation.

            I don't see how the information I posted was incorrect as the seizure numbers are from the U.S. Government Accountability Office.

            Regardless, this isn't something I have enough interest in to continue to debate so when you respond I will read it and leave it at that.

        • Aaron

          Oregon's bill did not take place until 2006, well after the reduction of meth labs.

          The prescription requirement is not responsible for the decline of labs, increased enforcement and tracking individuals is.

          The only think experts agree that Oregon's prescription requirement is responsible for is increasing the price of the medicine.

  • Harpers Ferry

    Because prescriptions work so well in stopping the abuse Oxycodone.

    • WVPharmacist

      OxyContin is a good drug, and when used correctly improves quality of life for patients.

      With that said, abuse and diversion are more than a problem. PerduePharma (makers if OxyContin, have opted to make it "harder to misuse" instead of changing the formulation to something that is in a form that can not be abused. I'm not sure if it is a matter of fear of lost sales, (if you can't smoke it, demand decreases) or if it is a absolute refusal to see it's still the choice drug of abuse.

      Obviously, making it non-prescription would be the dumbest thing ever... But did you know that pseudoephedrine used to be prescription only? When cocaine and crack hit the market, nobody foresaw that meth would be an issue, so why regulate it? With the overall success of making crack harder to get, people turned to meth. Then, someone figured out how to make it without heat or without the risk of explosions.

      Can't put the genie back in the bottle, so it's time to take the bottle away. Again.