CHARLESTON, W.Va. — Charleston Mayor Danny Jones is proposing a compromise with lawmakers in an attempt to keep a controversial gun bill from passing — as is — before the end of the 2014 Regular Legislative Session on Saturday.

In exchange for dropping a provision in that bill, SB 317, Jones said Charleston would immediately take its 1993 ordinance that requires a three day waiting period to buy a gun in city limits and allows only one gun purchase a month off the books.

Jones opposes the provision in the proposed bill that would let people with concealed carry permits bring guns into recreation facilities like city swimming pools, rec centers, sports facilities with afterschool programs or other sites where “children are regularly present.”

“To put guns in our rec centers is, and that’s exactly what the bill says it would do, we think is completely over the top and represents a danger to the existence of these rec centers,” said Jones.

The bill reads as follows: “A municipality may not prohibit a person with a valid concealed handgun permit from carrying an otherwise lawfully possessed firearm into a municipally owned recreation facility and securely storing the firearm out of view and access to others during their time at the municipally owned recreation facility.”

The bill does allow cities to enact their own ordinances to keep people with concealed carry permits from taking their guns in courthouses, city halls, convention centers, administrative buildings or other similar municipal buildings.

As part of that bill, which takes gun regulations out of the Home Rule Pilot Program, any additional city gun regulations could not go beyond what state and federal law already allows.

Mayor Jones presented the proposal to members of Charleston’s City Council during Monday night’s meeting.

“We consider this Senate bill very hostile to our city.  We know this is about Charleston,” said Jones.

He said the deal he’s offering would address a number of issues.  “The NRA gets its pound of flesh, so does the Legislature and we can minimize the damage that’s being done here and, maybe, give the Legislature a way out of doing something that’s clearly reckless,” said Jones.

It was not immediately clear if lawmakers were willing to take the Jones deal.

SB 317 is pending in the House Judiciary Committee.

The Senate unanimously approved the proposal last week.  At that time, Senate President Jeff Kessler (D-Marshall, 2) said it would establish a uniform set of gun laws for all of West Virginia.

This year’s regular session ends on Saturday night.

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Comments

  • TB

    The Second Amendment isn't subject to 'deals' and political compromise.

    • Rodney Hytonen

      Nor does it allow absolutely anyone to have any weapons they want in absolutely any situation or location.

      Even in the gun-happy "wild" west, it was llegal to have guns even in the "densely populated areas" of the relatively uninhabited west.

      • Aaron

        There is a difference in prohibiting guns in specific locations and from restricting gun ownership to lawful citizens. Charleston's ordnance is out of line with the 2nd Amendment.

      • Jason412

        I agree with the first part of your post, Rodney.

        If this bill is passed based on the grounds of things like "We do not negotiate" "The Second Amendment is not subject to political compromise" why are the same people just fine with municipalities still having the ability to restrict CCW in places such as court houses and convention centers?

        That sure sounds like compromise to me.

        • Jason412

          Uh, every person in this thread that is insisting this bill be passed are agreeing to let any town in WV pass restrictions on convention centers, etc.

          A quote from the article

          "The bill does allow cities to enact their own ordinances to keep people with concealed carry permits from taking their guns in courthouses, city halls, convention centers, administrative buildings or other similar municipal buildings."

          What the hell is mythical about that? By supporting this bill you are supporting restrictions on convention centers, administrative buildings and the whole lot.

          Aaron,

          What is different about it? Does the Second Amendment say we have the right to keep and bear arms, except specific locations as designated by local government?

          Why is it okay to restrict convention centers, but not a Rec. center?

          As a gun owner, if I decided to carry, why can I take my gun to the rec center but not a convention center? What is the difference? How is restricting carrying in a rec center any more unconstitutional then a convention center?

          I get that the limit on number of guns you can buy per month being unconstitutional, but Charleston has agreed to drop that and the way I understand it will no longer be law in June regardless of what Danny Jones wants.

          So, assuming Charleston does away with the limits on their own, the only thing this bill will do is allow a few more places in Charleston and the other couple cities with their own ordinances to be open for permit holders, while giving every other town in the state the ability to restrict places such as convention centers or administrative buildings that as of now might not be restricted.

          If the limit on buys is the problem, then pass legislation solely directed at that. This is not solely focused on the limit on buys.

          I say if restricting CCW in a Rec Center is unconstitutional, so is restricting CCW in a convention center. I would say you're just as likely, if not more, to have to defend yourself at a convention center as a rec center.

          If someone is going to say "we don't compromise on the Second Amendment" they shouldn't be supporting a bill that is a compromise, they should be calling for legislation to allow concealed carry every where.

          • bs

            No you don't understand the law. It brings consistency because no local town or municipality can pass gun control laws more restrictive than the state law. Yes they may be able to restrict CCW holders in a few more places (convention center) but without it they can restrict in FAR more places. How many convention centers are in this state anyway? And what if Charleston or any HRule town decides to give up HRule? We are stuck with these laws! I would rather know I can't carry in any town/state/federal building state wide than not know if I can be thrown in jail for carrying while walking down the street, which can happen in Charleston NOW

            No we need this law passed

          • Jason412

            Yeah, but by passing this you're opening a few places in Charleston while giving every other town the ability to restrict areas that as of today may not be restricted

            Say 10 areas of Charleston are opened for carry under this law, but 50 towns across the state pass tighter restrictions then they currently have.

            I don't see how that helps gun owners, or brings any more consistency.

            You could be in 1 town where you're allowed to carry in administrative buildings drive 10 miles down to the next town and its illegal to carry in administrative buildings. Where is the consistency in that? Each town will also get to pick and chose which of those areas they restrict. That doesn't sound like consistency to me.


            (Apologize if this posts twice phone's giving me trouble)

          • bs

            I agree but if not passed now, the only thing accomplished is Chas and other home rule towns are forced to drop restrictive gun laws in June if they accept home rule. At least we will get many areas opened up and more consistency in laws state wide. After all existing state and federal law prevents carry in federal / stae buildings anyway.

            Next year go after rest.

        • BS

          What same people are fine with municipalities still having the ability to restrict CCW in places such as court houses etc? Stop fabricating mythical people. Th only ones that want that are some politicians!

  • John and Sarah

    3 votes here you will lose Mr. Miley if you vote against this bill. And we have been lifelong democrats.

  • Miller Family

    Our family believes in the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. We are all in agreement that if you allow this bill to be changed in any way, our entire family including cousins, aunts, uncles, nieces and nephews will vote republican in the next election. You will lose a minimum of 11 votes from us in your district.

    • Joe

      Last time I checked Danny Jones was still a Republican. So if a deal posed by a Republican leader is accepted you are going to be angry and vote republican. Got it!

  • LawAbidingCitizen

    I hope they don't make the deal with the Mayor.

    Concealed permit holders go through background checks and thus should be able to carry wherever they want.

    Pass SB317 intact with zero changes.

    WVCDL Member

    • jeremy

      Ditto!

      Another WVCDL Memeber Here.

  • The Danbridges

    Count 3 votes here as well in the greater Bridgeport area Tim. Do not let us down as voters, as we would like to continue to support you in the future. But not if you allow this bill to be altered.

  • Independent View

    Mayor Jones, you not only direspect the law-abiding citizens of West Virginia---you have disrespected yourself!

  • Kathryn and Mark

    Mr. Miley, we are 2 of the voters in response to the statement made. Yes, we supported you in the last election, but will not vote for you in the next election if this bill is altered. Thank you for looking out for your voters.

  • Jeff

    This message is to Mr. Tim Miley. We do not negotiate. Had this been a true agenda for Mayor Jones, he would have had it in place already. Please remember the elections are in place and we have reached out to over 600 dedicated democrats that say they will NOT vote for you in your district should you waiver on this.

  • Independent View

    What is "reckless" within this article is Mayor Danny Jones' juxtaposition compromise and jabs.
    On one hand he extends an olive branch and then, true to form, he makes reckless statements and sticks his finger in the legislature's and law abiding citizen's eyes. Olive branch example: "In exchange for dropping that bill, SB 317, Jones said Charleston would immediately take its 1993 ordinance that requires a three day waiting period to buy a gun in city limits and allows only one gun purchase a month off the books.
    Reckless and unfounded allegations: "“To put guns in our rec centers is, and that’s exactly what the bill says it would do, we think is completely over the top and represents a danger to the existence of these rec centers,” said Jones. The NRA gets its pound of flesh, so does the Legislature and we can minimize the damage that’s being done here and, maybe, give the Legislature a way out of doing something that’s clearly reckless,” said Jones.
    Clearly, in the 90s, Charleston took advantage of law abiding residents of charleston and surrounding environs and every law abiding citizen of WV by passing the gun control ordinances when nobody outside of its proponents on city council were looking.
    Now, Mayor, the proverbial shoe is on the other foot and we law abiding citizens have been gathering momentum for two decades and our time has come! And, we strongly support SB 317 and do so with the sun brightly shining on it and not when folks are not looking as you and you ilk have perpetrated this injustice. As another point of correction, SB 317 as you characterize it, "We know this is about Charleston,” said Jones." WRONG! This is also about Martinsburg, South Charleston, Dunbar, St Albans, Charleston and any WV municipaility that harbours the idea of infringing upon the state's rights to establish firearms laws in West Virginia. Little do you Mayor Jones and your ilk care whether there are 6, 25, or 200 different firearm laws in every small city and little town in WV. A hodge-podge of ordinaces that no law abiding citizen could possibly know, but that is somehow acceptable?
    And, this from a mayor that has constant police protection and is driven around Charleston in a police cruiser with a CPD officer as his personal chauffeur. It's o.k. that he has armed security, but law abiding citizens are not afforded the same rights?
    As to the Rec Centers, in case you don't know it mayor, the thugs and criminals having been packing heat in the Rec Centers and housing projects since they have been in existance.

  • Aaron

    Our legislature needs to pass this bill to keep future municipalities from infringing on 2nd Amendment rights as Charleston has.

  • Rev. Doug Palmer

    Danny Jones needs to put his big boy pants on and realize he is not the King of WV.

    Get rid of the confusing gun laws from city to city. One law, One state.

    How many people have gotten killed in pools, rec. center, and other public places. Get rid of gun free laws so the good can have guns too.

  • Matt Johnston

    Sounds to me that Mr.Jones thinks that firearms either operate themselves or law abiding citizens dont like children. Think of all the other places a citizen can CC. Restaurants, shopping centers, grocery stores, etc. All places that children are and yet there is not an epidemic of child casaulties. Is it really about the children Mr.Jones? I think it has something to do with power, and not of the People, but the politicians. This has nothing to do with child safety. It appears that you think us peasants arent capable of making rational decisions on our own. For shame Mr.Jones, for shame.

  • Sean

    So the Mayor DOESN'T want people who have passed a firearms safety course and a background check at the rec center?

    Does he honestly think a no-guns sign is a deterrent to crime?

  • JM

    I would have to wonder about this. First off, what guarantee does the Legislature and the statewide supporters have, that once the bill were "killed" that Jones and the Charleston council would actually go through with their promise. And with the session ending only a few days away....can we really trust the guy that has all but called those that support the second amendment in wv terrorists and thugs.

    I am very skeptical.

  • Beth

    Excuse me, Mayor Jones. I have friends that won't come to Charleston to shop, eat, etc. because of the violence. How will allowing responsible gun owners carry in more places make anything more dangerous? In fact, I'm betting it would make things a lot safer!

    • joeyjojo

      Your friends should stay out. Since Danny Jones took over Charleston has become a poverty stricken, crime infested, cess pool.