The National Republican Congressional Committee wanted everyone to know this week about its poll in West Virginia’s 3rd District Congressional race. The poll has Republican challenger Evan Jenkins ahead of Democratic incumbent Nick Rahall by 14 points, 54-40.

Naturally, the poll must be viewed skeptically because of its source, however, there is mounting evidence that the long-time incumbent is in the race of his life. The national Republican Party smells blood, and is focusing on the race.

The Washington Post’s Aaron Blake reports that “The conservative groups, led by the Chamber of Commerce, the Koch brothers-backed Americans for Prosperity and the American Energy alliance, have spent about $1.4 million since late 2013—the vast majority attacking Rahall.”

Meanwhile, Blake reports the House Majority PAC has spent only $160,000 in support of Rahall in the race.

The GOP poll suggests that those attack ads are paying off, with Rahall’s approval rating down to 38 percent, while 54 percent rate him negatively.  Perhaps more importantly, however, the poll can be used to generate more campaign contributions for Jenkins because it creates the impression that he can win.

Jenkins still trailed Rahall in the last campaign finance report (4th quarter 2013); Rahall had $840,000 in the bank, twice as much as Jenkins.  But the national interest in the race means third party money will be doused on the district, and so far most of the outside money has gone toward helping Jenkins.  Many of the ads criticize Rahall on issues like Obamacare–which he voted for–and the EPA.

The Post’s Blake now sees WV-3 as a toss-up, the same as the Cook Political Report.  In fact, Cook has had the Rahall-Jenkins race in the toss-up category since last fall.  Larry Sabato’s Crystal Ball moved WV-3 from leans Democrat to toss-up last month. The Rothenberg Report still has WV-3 leaning Democrat.

The Crystal Ball’s Kyle Kondik writes, “Although Rahall is a proven commodity who is going to be difficult to defeat, the terrain he’s defending — 65% Romney — is just very challenging even taking into account the Mountain State’s local Democratic tradition, and outside Republican groups have been hammering away at him.”

It’s hard not to give at least a slight advantage to Rahall right now.  After all, he’s found a way to win elections every two years since 1976.  You don’t do that without some political acumen to go along with an advantage in party registration and weak competition.

But 2014 is shaping up to be a race like no other that WV-3 has seen.

 

 

 

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Comments

  • Jason412

    " I've counted about 4 more wars McCain has tried to get us into since he was defeated and for that I say thank God Almighty for Obama."

    If for nothing else, I also commend Obama for not jumping head first into any opportunity to start another war.

    I've noticed how when the Ukraine conflict first started many in these comments criticized Obama for suggesting the billion dollars to Ukraine, however I haven't heard any mention of the conflict in these comments since many Republicans have suggested "military options" in response to Russia. Military options you can bet would end up costing far more than a billion dollars

    The absolute last thing we need is more "military options" with an outcome that ends up resembling Iraq and Afghanistan. Ill take the less than 300 American casualties in Iraq in the 5 years Obama's been in office as opposed to the over 4,000 under Bush in the 6 years between 03-09. The Fox crowd is still ranting and raving about Obama over 4 American's losing their lives at Benghazi, but it wasn't long ago 4 American's dying was a daily occurence and barely considered newsworthy. I, for one, don't want to go back to that.

    • Aaron

      "If for nothing else, I also commend Obama for not jumping head first into any opportunity to start another war."

      Now that's funny. Besides forgetting about the fact that he's responsible for 75+% of the deaths in Afghanistan, he's ordered attacks on multiple nations and wages an unrelenting drone war to this day.

      antiwar.com/blog/2014/02/26/obamas-broken-promise-to-shift-drone-war-to-defense-department/

      I suppose next you'll tell us Obama ended the Iraq War.

      • Jason412

        The key word in the sentence you quoted is "ANOTHER". I didn't realize Obama is the one that deployed soldiers to Afghanistan while Bush was in office.

        As far as the 75%, Bush was responsible for almost 95% of the deaths in Iraq. Just over 1600 soldiers have died in Afghanistan since 2009, as opposed to the over 4,000 who died in Iraq between 2003-2009. Neither are acceptable numbers, but like I said, "I'm glad he hasn't started another war" as in one that was not ongoing when he was elected.

        Should we have immediately pulled out the day he was inaugurated? Had McCain been elected, is that what he would have done?

        As far as waging attacks on multiple nations, I can't think of a President in recent history who did not order attacks on multiple nations during their Presidency.

        Bush had Special Operations conducting raids in Syria and Pakistan. Clinton in Iraq, Somalia. H.W. Bush Somalia, Panama. Reagan in Grenada. Big difference between attacks, raids, whatever you want to call them and an over 10 year war.

  • Bob Ryan

    Did the poll include the dead? They come out pretty strong for Democrats on voting day. Not so much the rest of the year

  • DP

    Hop'sHip-Your latest post is the VERY FIRST ONE (though I seldom give your posts more than a cursory look-at best) that makes a MODICUM of sense!!!!!

    Hopefully future posts of yours will continue to say NOTHING. If so, readers will find your opinions to be MUCH MORE CREDIBLE!!!!

    • Hop'sHip

      I should have known I couldn't fool someone like you, DP. I just read your postings from yesterday's commentary and you're right. I am paid in food stamps by George Soros to monitor activity on the internets of freedom-loving hard-working patriots like you. But I must say I've been so impressed with your musings that I'm ready to come over to your side. I've locked my cable to Fox News and have made Breitbart my home page. But please allow me to keep my Obamaphone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Hop'sHip

      Well I appreciate the cursory look and want you to know that I give your postings a thorough examination because they are always so fair and thoughtful and chock full of insights. And the punctuation. Nobody punctuates better than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • DP

    Voters of the 3rd District: Isn't it time to get rid of this Obama Hack, Nicky Joe, after almost 40 years of a TOTALLY NONPRODUCTIVE tenure??? Obviously the regular Left Wing Wackos on this site disagree, but that's why they haven't the sense to vote anything but 100% Democrat.

    EIGHTY PLUS years of Democrats rule has pretty much wrecked the state of WV. WISE UP VOTERS of the 3rd District and put Nicky Joe out to pasture!!!!!

    I'm still asking: Does ANYONE know if Nicky Joe paid back the Las Vegas Casino(s) the money owed to them from many years ago? Of course he was probably on official government business (at taxpayers' expense) when he incurred these gambling debts!!!!!

    • Hop'sHip

      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????

  • Jim N Charleston

    Skippy,

    As dumb & corrupt as Rahall's district is, he'll win by 10 pts this time. You just can't fix stupid or elections in Southern WV

    All I got
    I'm Jim N So Charleston
    L8

    • Hop'sHip

      Jim N: Maybe we can't totally fix stupid but you could help to reduce it by not calling Hoppy "Skippy". If you represent the smart & respectable, I can understand why they prefer the dumb & corrupt.

  • GobblyGook

    Rahall is toast. The same fate awaits him as the one that was delivered to FL's Alex Sink this week. D-E-F-E-A-T!!!!
    Liberalism and progressivism are DEAD!!!!
    DOA come election time.
    The same fate is waiting for Tennant too.

  • kensgirl

    Funny that WaPo tries to push that "Koch Brothers-backed" line so hard, when the amount they have contributed to campaigns PALES in comparison to what unions and George Soros have spent over the years. (The information is easy to find. Google it.) I wonder if you ever see any candidate's backing on the other side listed as "George Soros-backed" in the WaPo? My guess is probably, "No."

    • Jason412

      As far as Soros v. Koch, I googled it and found a random website, opensecrets.org, citing the Center for Responsive Politics. According to it,

      As far as what can be easily tracked,
      Koch = $61.46 million
      Soros = $47 million

      I would say the more telling numbers would be from the Think Tanks and Political Organizations, but without them revealing their donors it's hard to tell who actually spent more.
      www. opensecrets .org/news/2010/09/opensecrets-battle---koch-brothers.html (take spaces out)

      And here's a list of the top 20 contributors to WV in 2012.

      www. followthemoney .org/database/state_overview.phtml?s=WV&y=2012 (take spaces out)

      I'm not trying to make a point one way or the other, just was interested in seeing the numbers for my self and figured I would share the links.

      Kensgirl, it would be helpful if you provided the information your basing your comment on. But as far as I can see one organization spending 1.4 million on a single candidate is rare if not unprecedented in WV. If anyone has any information to the contrary, please share it.

      • The bookman

        Just a side note. Opensecrets receives funding from open society who is funded by George Soros. These guys are everywhere.

        • Hop'sHip

          Bookman: Koch brothers are heavily into fossill fuels so the suspicion is that they use their money to promote policy favorable to that segment of the economy, fair or not. What is the right's belief on how Soros uses his money to advance his financial interest? I used their donor inquiry to look up George Soros activity on the OpenSecrets site. I think this is a great service. Are you telling me I should be distrustful of the results?

          • Hop'sHip

            You're right. Like Kensgirl would say "just Google it". I could probably easily find what he says his agenda is. He will probably say open and fair government that serves ALL the people. But I suspect some that hang here detect a more sinister purpose. Do you think I should ask DP? He seems to have strong opinions and they are always well-punctuated!!!!!

          • The bookman

            Did you strong arm kids in school to do your homework, Hops? You're a smart guy. Do your own homework.

          • Hop'sHip

            Well that's no help. Anyone else out there who can tell me what the Soros agenda is?

          • The bookman

            HH:

            I don't care what his agenda is. But his support of the political left leads me to believe that we are not like minded. I'm not a conspiracy minded person. Soros has a ton of money, and that buys power and influence. Is that news? Nope, it's not even new.

          • Hop'sHip

            What is his agenda? All I know is that he is a equity fund guy and I see references to him being a communist. You don't see many communist equity fund managers. But then some of those same references are calling the Pope a communist.

          • The bookman

            Not at all. I've sourced information there and have found it useful and reliable. Just pointing out the fact that Soros funds at least in part the site. I would expect Soros uses his wealth like the Koch brothers do, to gain influence and forward an agenda. That's ok with me.

        • Retired Teacher

          It goes without saying that working class isn't represented by either party on the national level---all democrats and republicans are "purchased" by one special interest or the other prior to any election

          • The bookman

            Wow, how sad?

    • Hop'sHip

      Please don't tell us to "Google it". Give us a reference for your claim. Otherwise I can only conclude it is bogus.

  • jay zoom

    what ever the outcome is meant to be. GET OUT AND VOTE WEST VIRGINIA. this state has a low voter turn out and that's a disgrace. I'm a poll worker in the northern part of the state and I know. my precinct 392 eligible voters and the max since 2005 - 51 in 2008 and a grand total of 19 in 2010 then all you hear is the cry babies after the election is over if a certain candidate is elected.

    • Aaron

      They vote differently in southern WV Jay.

      Dads voted straight Democrat for 30 years since 1980, which varied from his issue/candidate voting record he adheres to right up his death in 1979.

  • Aaron

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Nick Joe wins a not a close as many would think race by the same margin Capito defeats Tennant, 7%.

    • Retired Teacher

      I agree that Rahall will win, but think that Tennant and Capito will be much closer, and Tennant might pull it out---remember Tennant doesn't have a record to stand on or defend.

      • Aaron

        Other than supporting Obamacare, right?

        • Retired Teacher

          I didn't know that she had taken an official stand, and I don't pretend to be an expert on the internet. I see on her website, that she only supports some small portions of it and wants to modify the rest.

          • Aaron

            She made some public statements a few years back. I'm sure we will see them come August, September and October.

  • rick

    The coal and gas people certainly are spending a lot of money to defeat Rahall and other Dems. What will happen when they get the House and Senate and the White House and their only plan is "No". Do you remember all he good stuff they did the last time they had all three.........chirp....chirp...chirp.

  • CaptainQ

    Well Hoppy, as is the case in the Capito-Tennant U.S. Senate race, the 'Shadow of Obama' is affecting the contest in the U.S. House 3rd District as well.

    The bottom line is this, two years ago Rahall (along with Tomblin and Manchin) successfully kept a safe distance from President Obama, long enough to win reelection to their respective offices. This time around, it won't be as easy for Nicky Jo to 'run away' from his obvious White House connections. This factor alone has made this election campaign a 'toss up.'

    The question is, can Rahall pull yet another political 'Harry Houdini' in 2014 and win his House seat? We shall see.

  • TD

    The Saints are going to practice in WV for 4 whole weeks!!! Is that what the $25 million credit was for??? I was hoping for something big, bold, real economic impact and all we're getting is a couple hundred people coming to play for a month? Who cares is the real question.

    As for Rahall I hope he pulls it out but it doesn't really matter as the Republicans gerrymandered the map so much in 2010 they will control the house for the next 6 years even though they received 3.5 million less votes than dems running for the house. As I said yesterday, the propaganda machine has WV's where it wants them.

    • Hop'sHip

      TD. Yesterday you endorsed the Walmart model of business. Who better than the Republican party to drive down wages of those on the front line and reward the "wealth accumulators....creators"? Let's give trickle-down another chance. I'm sure some day some of that Walton family wealth will dribble down to their workers.

      • TD

        what I said was capitalism doesn't work on healthcare. I personally have nothing against Walmart, shop there all the time. I'd like to see their employees unionize and hopefully in time that will happen. My point was in healthcare you don't know the cost of the product, there is no shopping around to find better value and there are no capitalistic pressures on the industry to be competitive and keep cost down.

        I think a surgeon charging $37,000 to do an hour and a half knee replacement is insane. I think Americans paying double for same pharmaceuticals the rest of the world pays is insane. AND I THINK healthcare cost is the NUMBER ONE PROBLEM THIS COUNTRY HAS.

        That's just my opinion.

        • Aaron

          Lasik Surgery is the perfect example of how capitalism works on health care.

          Perhaps if we stopped insuring "oil changes and wiper blade" and other wear and tear cost and only covered emergencies and good preventative care, leaving the doctors visits to the patient, it would actually reduce the cost of health care. Once a patient learns the true cost of a visit and not just the co-pay, they start making economic decision real quick.

          Here's a good article regarding Whole Foods.

          online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204251404574342170072865070

          • ViennaGuy

            Aaron, agreed; excellent post.

        • Hop'sHip

          I agree with most of what you say. And I'm sure there are many in the Health Care Sector who are being overly rewarded, although I don't think many of those are in West Virginia. I would only add this. What everyone calls "Obamacare" has greatly shaken the provider community and has for the first time in years have them looking at costs and how they do things. And I guess the reward for pushing this law through is political death. But I think those going down should take satisfaction in knowing that we will probably never go back to the old way of doing things.

          • Hop'sHip

            Reply to TD, misplaced.

      • TD

        my personal experience, my payment was going to Nevada all the while Citi had a processing center in Columbus, Ohio. Speaking with my cousin who lives in Vegas she said, again with Citi, her payment was going to Columbus. That doesn't happen anymore. By law now they cannot change your rate on existing purchases if you make payments on time. Sounds like you're in Fox News land where whats good for Wall Street is all that matters and the billions the banks are no longer making, (where do you think that money comes from afterall?) is better in the banks hands than the American peoples. That tells me all I need to know about you, go vote Republican.

    • The bookman

      TD,

      The 25 million is a tax credit against corporate net tax. It's not a gift, and it requires an investment that will produce jobs. Don't be such a downer. It's Friday for crying out loud.

      And as for the second part of your comment, just take a look at a congressional district map that is color coded by party affiliation. By appealing to urban centers, the Democratic Party has marshaled higher percentages of total votes in those districts, accounting for the 3.5 million votes. But you knew that. The commentaries of the last two days are difficult medicine to swallow, I'm sure. But the times, they are a-changin......

      • Aaron

        Actually, it doesn't have to prove jobs, it has to increase tourism. Once the Greenbrier sets it's base sales tax, anything over that amount in future years above the base, The Greenbrier gets to keep, up to 25% of the investment not to exceed $2.5 million per year/$25 million over 10 years.

        At least that's how Hoppy explained it on the radio today.

        • The bookman

          Here is the language from the senate amendment.

          §5B-2E-7b. Credit against taxes.
          (a) General. – When a qualified professional services destination facility is located at or adjacent to an existing historic resort hotel with at least five hundred rooms and the qualified professional services destination facility eligible for credit under this section is primarily engaged in furnishing services that are not subject to the tax imposed by article fifteen, chapter eleven of this code, then in lieu of the credits that otherwise would be allowable under section seven or seven-a of this article, the eligible company that complies with the requirements of this section may claim the credit provided in this section: Provided, That the maximum amount of credit allowable under this section is equal to twenty-five percent of the eligible company’s qualified investment, as defined in this section.
          (b) Definitions. – The following words and phrases when used in this section have the meanings given to them in this subsection unless the context in which used clearly indicates that a different meaning was intended by the Legislature.
          (1) "Agreement" means an agreement entered into under subsection (g) of this section.
          (2) "Compensation" means wages, salaries, commissions and any other form of remuneration paid to employees for personal services.
          (3) "Cost-of-living adjustment" for any calendar year is the percentage, if any, by which the consumer price index for the preceding calendar year exceeds the consumer price index for the calendar year 2015.
          (4) "Consumer price index" for any calendar year means the average of the federal consumer price index as of the close of the twelve-month period ending on August 31 of that calendar year.
          (5) "Eligible company" for purposes of this section means any corporation, limited liability company, partnership, limited liability partnership, sole proprietorship, business trust, joint venture or any other entity operating a qualified professional services destination facility, whether owned or leased, within the state that: (A) creates at least one hundred twenty-five new jobs in this state within thirty-six months after the date the qualified investment is placed into service or use, and maintains those jobs for the entire ten year life of the tax credit specified in this section, (B) makes available to its full-time employees health insurance coverage and pays at least fifty percent of the premium for the health insurance, (C) generates, within thirty-six months after the date the qualified investment is placed into service or use, not less than $10 million of gross receipts upon which the taxes imposed under article twenty-seven, chapter eleven of this code are paid, and (D) meets the standards, limitations and requirements of this section and of the development office. An eligible company may operate or intend to operate directly or indirectly through a lessee or a contract operator.

        • The bookman

          I'll look at the bill again, but I believe it stated no credit can be applied until 125 jobs had been created directly related to the project. Not construction jobs.

          • Aaron

            I'm just repeating what Hoppy said on the radio today.

      • TD

        Bookie, if Republicans had anything to offer except tax breaks for the wealthy I'd be willing to consider as I don't support a lot of the Dem's policies either. However, it should be obvious by now that trickle down economics really has been proven to be trickle up economics and I don't think we can stand any more of it. The House this year under Republican control has done zilch for the average American.

        Here's the perfect example how WV's are voting against their own interest and the propaganda machine convinces them to do so. Credit card companies can no longer change your rates, remember just a few years ago you would have a 14% rate and overnight it was 29%? Your payment was going across the country to the furthest away processing center and then they'd slap you with a $39 late fee? Obama changed those things yet Capito voted against it. She's more interested in banking profits than helping WV's and in the world of Fox News this is referred to as "Obama's over regulation of the banking industry which has cost billions." Yes it cost billions and as Obama said, "if you're in the business of bilking people out of their money you won't like this".

        • The bookman

          And that is a perfect example of politicians pandering for a vote. Nobody likes paying late fees or having the APR adjusted, but paying your bill on time and not exceeding your limit are practices that should not be rewarded. Predatory practices by issuers should be called out and dealt with case by case. I think her vote reflects my opinion. Given enough rope the consumer will hang themselves every time. See mortgage crisis of 2008 for the example.

          • Hop'sHip

            DWM Thanks for the reply. Must admit that I just skimmed the Issa 131 page report. Could you tell me where I can find the smoking gun that shows the agency was following Obama directives? And let me ask you this. Do you think these "targeted " groups were truly non-political public service organizations deserving of tax-exempt status. And could you give me the list of those conservative groups that were punished by having their tax exempt status taken away. And you do realize when you use terms like "Gestapo" it is hard to take you seriously. But I'm willing to look at any real evidence of wrongdoing and harm.

          • DWM

            HopShip,

            Nixon targeted McGovern with a couple of bumbling fools, the liberal media howled, academia protested, kids with mush for braisn marched and Nixon was impeached. Obama targets dozens of conservative groups with the IRS (the Gestapo of our time and liberal voices like you say "what targeting, I don't see any targeting", the liberal media ignores the story, and Obama continues to act like our own Hugo Chavez. Does it bother you that you are intellectually dishonest, or do you just chalk it up to the greater good on our way to a socialist society?

          • DWM

            HopShip

            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lois-lerner-under-fire-in-new-house-oversight-committee-report/

        • DWM

          TD, Tax breaks for the wealthy?

          Please step into the 21st century and might I suggest changing the channel from MSNBC. Currently in our country 49% of the people pay NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX.

          Have you looked at the federal debt Obama has racked up while there has been a slight economic recovery? Does it not bother you that the Obama administration has used government departments to target people they don't like? And that's been proven and the head of the IRS was on trial because of it.

          What the conservative party says is we are going to leave you alone and let you live your life, be what you want to be and when you achieve, it will be your success.

          • Aaron

            I'm not sure where you get your number Hop. In 1999, the US added $130 billion to the national debt and in, we came close to a surplus as the US only added $18 billion to the national debt. Those numbers come from the US Treasury.

            I will say that I disagreed with the Bush tax cuts. I also disagreed with Congress not extending Pay as you go laws in 2002, which were a big factor in the fiscal responsibility we were beginning to achieve that started in 1996.

            I would gladly support a return to those tax rates across the board if they were backed with pay as you go laws and guaranteed surplus' going directly to the national debt.

            Somehow I don't think that will happen.

          • Hop'sHip

            I don't know Aaron. You may be right. But you sort of changed the terms of the argument. I was responding to this challenge you posed:
            "I don't suppose you can provide anything to substantiate your claim that the US actually took in more money than it spent during any single year since 1953, can you?"

            That is different from asking for evidence of year-to-year debt reduction. My source claims this:
            "Clinton’s large budget surpluses also owe much to the Social Security tax on payrolls. Social Security taxes now bring in more than the cost of current benefits, and the "Social Security surplus" makes the total deficit or surplus figures look better than they would if Social Security wasn’t counted. But even if we remove Social Security from the equation, there was a surplus of $1.9 billion in fiscal 1999 and $86.4 billion in fiscal 2000. So any way you count it, the federal budget was balanced and the deficit was erased, if only for a while."
            I'm inclined to trust my source. George W. Bush did. Here is his campaign literature where he promised to return part of the surplus to the people. Did you oppose him?

            http://www.4president.org/brochures/georgewbush2000brochure.htm

          • Aaron

            I kind of figured that's what someone would post. It's a myth as those claiming a budget surplus only account for public debt, which did go down during those 4 years but does not take into account that fact that the Clinton budgets borrowed from intergovernmental holdings (mostly Social Security) and as a result, they actually spent more money EACH year then was taken in.

            It's like borrowing from your 401 (k) to cover bills instead of from the bank. More than anything, it's an accounting trick and doesn't change the fact that the national debt increased EVERY year under Clinton.

            Take a look at this site from the Department of the Treasury.

            treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm

            You have to open the tabs but if you can find me any year from the treasury website where the national debt actually decreases from one year (as is the case with 1957) to the next DURING the Clinton years, I'll buy you the best burger in Morgantown, which in my limited experience has been Tailpipes. If you know of someplace better, the burgers on you.

          • Hop'sHip

            I'll show you my source if you show me yours:

            http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/

          • Aaron

            I don't suppose you can provide anything to substantiate your claim that the US actually took in more money than it spent durning any single year since 1953, can you?

          • TD

            DWM, the day Obama walked through the White House door Dubya handed him a $1.1 trillion debt for '09 and the "greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression", unlike when Dubya walked through the door and Clinton handed him a $300 billion surplus and strong economy.

            It only took six years for the great Republican experiment to crash the world economy and get us into unnecessary wars. I've counted about 4 more wars McCain has tried to get us into since he was defeated and for that I say thank God Almighty for Obama.

          • Hop'sHip

            DWM: Where can I find this proof that "the Obama administration has used government departments to target people they don't like?"

        • Hillbilly

          TD,
          I get at least 5 credit card offers a week in the junk mail and every one still says anywhere from 18 - 23 % interest, with starting offers as low as zero for a few months ( to get you hooked) and then they say that if you make a late payment your interest rate will to to 29.99 % INDEFINITELY!! And you are still mailing your payments to either South Dakota, Nevada,etc where state laws still allow them to charge whatever they want and that is why their corporate offices are in those states. All Obama did was to make them waste paper showing you every month how much you are going to pay total if you make the minimum payment and how much you could save by paying a larger amount. They have "ways" and new "fees" to make up for what they lost.

      • The bookman

        http://www.nationalatlas.gov/printable/printableViewer.htm?imgF=images/preview/congdist/pageCGD113_us_D-R.gif&imgW=792&imgH=612

        Here's the map

        • TD

          ok Bookie, put on your thinking cap (if you have one) and consider, why would Dems want to win a district by 90% of the vote? Wouldn't it be better to spread those votes out to other districts? But, oh the light comes on, the Republican state legislatures are the ones in charge and they created the districts to isolate the power of the Dems vote.

          There, you actually learned something today and that's the reason Republicans control the house despite getting less than 47% of the votes nationally. Aren't you proud?

          • The bookman

            That is certainly an opinion, just not mine. You assume that the Democrats somehow control where people live, and could spread out their vote by sheer will. The facts are the country identifies itself as largely conservative. Gerrymandering districts for political gain date back to the beginning of this country and can be found in practice all over the world. No one likes it when it happens to their party, but each party engages in it. Republicans may hold the edge currently, but Democrats will be just as guilty when they gain the edge, are just as guilty in areas where they have the edge, and have been as guilty where they enjoyed the edge. Pontificating about the evil Republicans fixing districts only demonstrates that you aren't wearing your "honesty" cap.

  • Wirerowe

    Hoppy I have always thought that Nick Jo would win one more election. Now I don't think so. I think we will end up with a republican senator, a very conservative democratic senator, two republican house members, and the very conservative senator's protege as the lone democrat house member.. My crystal ball.

    • Hop'sHip

      Wire: You liked WVU's chances against Texas better than Tennant's against that Wall Street representative, so I think Natalie should probably pull out now. I think you are right. My beloved state has completely gone over to the dark side. Which is probably not good if you are dark, poor or a woman and especially if you are a poor dark woman. And it's probably not good news if you are an endangered species or a union member (which is rapidly becoming an endandered species). But Hoppy-nation is smiling. And that can't be entirely a bad thing, ... I think.

      • WhgFeeling

        Oh Hops it is really just coming to the light. You will see your mantra of the world is ending and everyone except rich white folk are going to be doomed will soon pass away as our great state will move out of the bottom 10%.

        Truly the rhetoric is getting tiresome.

        • Hop'sHip

          Not sure what you mean by mantra of the world, but rereading my comment I agree that it was silly and I would withdraw it if I could. I can understand if people find my rhetoric tiresome. I would only point out that it is hardly the only tiresome and predictable rhetoric here. In fact when I reread your first paragraph, that is some tiresome rhetoric of its own.

    • The bookman

      +1

  • Bu-Bye Danny Jones

    Hoppy,

    To gauge the shifting political winds in WV all one had to do is hear Harvey Peyton yesterday on his weekly WCHS “ask the expert” paid info-mercial” throw his little hissy-fit about his political party loosing their strangle-hold on the Mountain State. It was a pathetically childish display of “ If I can’t be in charge, I what it to fail”

    And Hoppy, why are you constantly reminding us of the Koch Brothers and conservative 501c groups as outside groups effecting political change but never mention George Soros? Soros and his underling groups like Media-Matters, MoveOn, Tides Foundation, Open Society, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, and etc are far more covertly and overtly politically active than any group on the conservative side.

    • Bu-Bye Danny Jones

      want

      • Bu-Bye Danny Jones

        and losing
        ^^^ Note to self-- wait till coffee is done

        • Harvey

          At least you were listening.

  • David

    When republicans use money from outside their district to win the media thinks it's damaging the political process.

    When democrats take money from foreign nationalists or outright criminals the media sits largely silent...

    Of course we all know who a majority of the media is.

    Present company excluded.