A U.S. Senate committee hearing on transportation funding was droning on Tuesday, as Capitol Hill hearings often do, when Jay Rockefeller startled the attendees to attention with this nugget:

“It’s an American characteristic that you don’t do anything which displeases the voters, because you always have to get re-elected here. I understand part of it. It has to do with—for some, it’s just we don’t want anything good to happen under this president, because he’s the wrong color.”

The comment came during a monologue where the five-term Senator lamented the political pandering that substitutes for good government in Washington these days.

So, what are we to make of Rockefeller’s comment? Here are a couple of theories posited to me by a variety of sources I checked with across the political spectrum.

–Rockefeller is retiring, and finally free to speak his mind. Rockefeller has supported Obama and has no doubt gotten an earful from constituents, since the President is wildly unpopular in West Virginia. The senator can now say what’s on his mind without worrying about the next election.

–Democrats are worried about getting blown out in the midterm elections and they’re looking for a foothold. The senator was repeating a familiar Democratic talking point that a portion of the opposition to the President is rooted in racism. For example, just last month, Congressman Steve Israel (D-New York) said on CNN’s “State of the Union” that “not all” Republican members of Congress are racists, but “the Republican base does have elements that are animated by racism.”

–Rockefeller, who turns 77 next month, is starting to slip. But there are conflicting reports on that. One friend who recently spent time with the Senator said he’s as sharp as ever. Still, the race reference seemed to jump out during a hearing about highways.

A Rockefeller spokesman declined the opportunity to elaborate on the Senator’s intent, which is unfortunate because it matters here.

If the Senator was making a general observation that some people in this country want Obama to fail because he’s black, then I agree with him. We’ve come a long way on race, from Jim Crow to electing a black man to the nation’s highest office within two generations. But, as we were graphically reminded last week in the Donald Sterling affair, bigotry remains.

But, if Rockefeller was suggesting that some of his colleagues don’t want anything good to happen to Obama, then he should name names. The race card is a cheap play, and one that’s too often used by the President’s supporters when opponents make legitimate arguments on policy points. Disagreeing with the president does not make you a racist.

Racial charges are serious matters; be specific or don’t bring them up.

With his time in public service winding down, Rockefeller may indeed feel liberated to say exactly what’s on his mind.  That could be refreshing, as well as entertaining. However, it also makes one wonder what he’s been thinking and not saying on a variety of other issues for the last half-century.





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  • 2XLPatriot

    I am sick to death about the race card. Every white American who disagrees with someone of another color/ethnicity is labeled a racist and the media, with the sheeple, fall right in step. Racisim is individual and NOT geographical or ethnicity bound. West Virginians are proud, red blooded Americans and because we don't agree with a President who appears more Anti-American than the KGB, we are automatically a bunch of dumb, racist hillbillies. Hoppy, as a shining light in the West Virginia media, I am disappointed that you as a journalist would continue down this road. These stroies paint with a broad stroke and leave uninformed people believing that racism is a one way street. Only whites can be racist. This is pure crap! I wish this citizens of this state and country would grow some testicles for once and stand up against this media hyped, racism genre that has everyone pulling the race card to cover up thier failings. Yes, Barrack Hussein Obama is President of the United States and has unequivically proven that he is not qualified to hold that office, NOT becuase he is black but, because he is incompetent and inexperienced. His attempts to change the face of America has made our country the laughing stock of the planet. We are no longer a super power to be respected or feared but, we have become a nation of wimps in debt so deep that it will take 5 or more generations to pay it off. Liberals and fence riders are the bane of this country's existance. America needs to get back to basics, adhere to the Constitution and reclaim its morals and values that once made her a light in the darkness and a force of good to be rekkoned with. For now, we are a nation of whiney little wimps who tolerate everything and can't balance a checkbook while the President takes multi-million dollar vacations and plays golf. Personally, I support Dr. Ben Carson for President, not because he is black but, because he is intelligent, has common sense, loves America and has devoted his life to healing and charity. That my friends, is a man worthy of holding the Office of The President.

    • David Kennedy

      Racist, huh...??
      How about the Ludlow, Colorado coal mine war in the early days of the last century, when our coal mine people were machine-gunned... make me think that possibly some of the Rockefeller's were a little racist? Or was that genocidal?
      It's time to hang it up, Rocky...go crawl under a rock somewhere and take Obama with you.

    • Enough is enough

      2XLPatriot, you are right on target. They have twisted every facet of life. MLK would be embarrassed.

    • CaptainQ

      The race card is the only 'play' left for the Democrats in this mid-term election. It's an act of desperation on the part of the DNC.

      Though the Democrats may lose seats in Congress in 2014, I will predict now that there will be a Democratic President elected in 2016. Can't say who it will be yet, but don't count Hilliary Clinton out yet. There is a way she can turn her current political fortunes around quickly if she's willing to do it. It'll be interesting to see when Primary Campaign season starts next year whether she'll be smart enough to figure it out.

    • Shadow

      Everyone should have their DNA tested for ethnicity and find out where they came from over the years. It is enlightening and their are no Pure Breds. In general, we are not what we think we are.

    • Wowbagger


      If a man's (or woman's) skin is darker than mine (or yours) all it means is that most of his or her ancestors came from nearer to the equator than most of my ancestors and needed more melanin in their skin to protect them from the sun. This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with character, intelligence, or ability!

      • wow

        Wowbagger, who on here said it did? Being bad at what you do should not be protected by your skin color either. I get sick of people being called racist every time they don't like what a black person does or says. There is racist people, both white and black, I for one am not but I don't label someone racist because they don't agree with someone of a different race.

      • Jason412


        It would be great if everyone felt that way about race, but I would guess it's the minority that do.

        An example of obvious community racism that always comes to mind for me happened a few years ago. In the town my in-law's live in, which has a population of close to 9 or 10,000 and 98%+ white, a few Mexican's (less than 10) moved into the town at the same time. There was an absolute outrage over their presence in the area. Within a few weeks there was an article in the newspaper along the lines of "Local Police Chief says no proof of gangs, but have increased patrols as result of public concern". As far as I know, none of them were ever charged with any crimes and pretty much left the town quietly without incident, probably tired of being harassed by the police.

        I'm not sure what percentage of the community this involved, but I would guess it was significant, since it yielded a news article and increased police patrols. It's mind boggling that in the 21st century a select group of people can be pretty much ran right out of town in a very short amount of time.

        • Jason412

          "Now if you had evidence that the Mexican group of 9 or 10 were hassled, arrested , and harassed by the police or the public, then maybe you would have a case"a

          From my post from yesterday

          "We weren't stopped and searched by the police after walking out of a gas station, only to be let go after nothing was found, as I personally witnessed happen to two Mexican gentleman."

          Walking into a gas station, buying something, walking out and being immediately stopped and searched, then let go when you don't have anything in your pockets. What do you call that? That is just what I personally witnessed in a few minutes at a gas station.

          Of course they weren't arrested, it's hard to arrest people you have no evidence of them committing crimes.

          Don't get me wrong, I respect former Chief White and I believe he was just responding to the community. But when you have officers, such as the one I mentioned who was fired for being a racist, doing the leg work it's not a stretch to believe a proactive response to community rumor's could lead to harassment.

          " I know there was associated crime, including a night time burglary involving an elderly man. Vandalism is crime"

          I don't remember that specific burglary, but I'd bet if anyone was apprehended it was a local resident. Yes, vandalism is crime. There was no increase in vandalism. I don't understand what you mean by that.

          • wow

            Jason, I for one just don't believe your story about the Mexican man getting searched at the gas station. You sound like the leadership of our country, if your story is not strong enough, make something up.

          • The bookman

            No, if that happened, it was a racist remark by an ignorant man. You use bits of anecdotal stories, factual or otherwise, to categorize an entire community as racist, and I say that is inaccurate.

          • Jason412

            No, I don't say the police were responding to rumor's of gang activity. The man who was police chief at the time said they were responding to rumor's of gang activity.

            Do I know the circumstances of the search, no. I do know that had they committed a crime, or even been a suspect in one, they would have been detained not let go immediately after there were no guns or drugs found.

            There were also no civil rights violations levied when the Sergeant stopped a black man who had never committed a crime in his life and called him a n*****. It took years for anything to come from that. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. But as you said, I see that as racist because I want to, not because it's actually racist.

          • The bookman

            You say the police were responding to rumor of gang activity, and I say they were responding to reports of crime. Do you know the circumstances of the search you witnessed? I've never observed an impromptu search anywhere in Elkins. I'm also not aware of any reports of civil rights violations levied against local police. As I've stated, it's a tourist town. Any given weekend brings a diversity of travelers through town. Racism isn't something you hide. It's something you are. And the legal record doesn't bear out a racist population here.

        • Shadow

          Did anyone check if they were illegals? There is a distaste throughout the Country for those that disobey our laws whatever their color. When about 95 percent of the new Mexicans are illegal, what is a person the think? If you break one law, how many more will you break? It is not racism to be concerned for crime.

          • Bill

            Elkins has always been a haven for gay men. The community has always been welcoming and friendly towards gays.

        • Wowbagger


          I can only conclude that for some reason you either just do not understand rural American culture or you have an agenda.

          Up until about 2008 racism was quickly dying in America, then all at once a political strategy of divide and conquer emerged. Those who promote the renewed racial and ethenic division of this nation for political gain disgust me and you appear to be one.

        • The bookman


          I live in Randolph County, and I know the story that you mention in your comment. Elkins has a little over 7100 people, and is not what I would consider a bastion of conservatism. The newspaper is a small regional newspaper, and the stories in the paper are your run of the mill car accident, MSFF princess named, burglary occurred on Randolph Avenue type of paper. No real national or state news, just local stuff. To cast a shadow on an entire locale based on such a story really isn't fair. Your characterization of there being an outrage over the presence of Mexicans in the town is obscene. There were Mexican Americans in Elkins before, during, and after this incident. They are well respected in the community and are great people. It is offensive for you to discount the population of that town, of which I am not a resident, based on such a story.

          So many assumptions in your post, yet you condemn people you don't know to be racist. Do you think that might be indicative of the perceived racial divide in this country?

          • The bookman


            I think the response by the police were completely appropriate and I don't see it as racially motivated at all. I know there was associated crime, including a night time burglary involving an elderly man. Vandalism is crime . Now if you had evidence that the Mexican group of 9 or 10 were hassled, arrested , and harassed by the police or the public, then maybe you would have a case. What you do present is a responsive police report to the concerns of rumors in the community, and the results indicate they were false. Not that they located the source of the problem and ran them out of town.

          • Jason412

            "The police patrols were due to the crime."

            No, it wasn't. Unless the police chief was lying to City Council.

            -- "White said he ordered "saturation patrols" in the area because of a growing number of rumors being spread around town.'

            Does that say they were doing saturation patrols due to an increase in crime, or due to false rumors being spread?

            -- "Thus far we have no intel that proves there is a gang here," White said. "We have heard so many things, and we have checked them out and there is nothing."

            Hmm "there is nothing", that's weird. ON

            -- "I decided to increase the patrols for two reasons," White said. "The first is if it (a gang) is in the area, we want to let them know we are there and to let the residents know if it was there we had a presence."

            Sorry, as you know I'm an idiot only here to further my agenda, I need you to explain. Does that say it is a direct response to a rise in crime or does it say, like the first paragraph I quoted, it is a response to rumors?

            -- White compared the spread of the rumors to the game of "telephone" where a statement will be completely different after it is heard and repeated by several people.

            This is where your "rape" comes from.

            ---- First Ward Councilman Rob Beckwith asked Bickel if he has seen an increase in vandalism.

            "Nothing on our street," Bickel said "I have not seen any of the gang activity."

            Clearly they were a gang, they just didn't do gang activities like commit crimes.

            Funny how the word "crime" doesn't appear in the article once.

          • The bookman


            No sir, you take anecdotal comments from some people based on rumor that the cause of the crime was a Mexican Gang. The police patrols were due to the crime. We still have it. In home burglaries continue to rise. But you seek evidence of racism. When you find it, you paint with a brush so broad that you insinuate community wide racism. Sure, you qualify later that you don't know how many people in the community were actually racist, yet this incident remains in your mind as the definition of community racism.

            Sorry, but I don't agree that there is an undercurrent of racism in the Elkins community. I know a broad cross section of the community, and if your experience gives you a different perspective, then I would hang with a different crowd when you come to town.

          • Jason412


            Real crime was being committed. Crime never connected to them in any way, shape, or form.

            Let me ask you, once they left did crime decrease? No, it didn't. It continued to increase.

            But why would we blame it on the rise of meth cooking and abuse, the actual cause.

            You deem someone a threat, due to an increase in crime that was increasing before they came and continued to increase after they left. And you are still making out as if the rise in crime can be directly attributed to people who were never charged with a crime. Maybe that argument would hold water if the crime rate decreased at all when they left, it didn't.

            Also to act as if I'm some one time visitor that was in town for 3 days for the FF, that couldn't be further from the truth.

            How about the police sergeant, who had been on the force when this incident occurred, being fired in the last few months for calling a prominent black resident a n***** during a traffic stop years ago. An incident that was completely swept under the rug until after the man had died and his family pushed it. Yeah, I only see racism because I want to.

          • WV Man

            The two most popular columnists in the Intermountain newspaper of Elkins are black economists--Sowell and Thomas--both of whom are conservatives. What's that tell 'ya, Rocky.

          • 2XLPatriot

            Surely different ethnicities bring about more suspicion in small towns and communities. When the media plays up the latino gangs like MS 13 and, then the other ethnic gangs and U.S. statistics show "minorities" make up the most percentage of crimes in areas they inhabit, can you honestly blame people? I'm not endorsing it in any way but, facts are facts here. Look at the crime statistics on the FBI website. If you don't think there are gang members in WV, you are a fool. I have seen them, Police will verify their presence and I have a family memeber in law enforcement who has arrested them living in North Central WV. So, for a tight nit mountain town to get suspicious and start talking about "Mexicans" who just moved in and proof that crime went up since they showed up, is not stereotypical racism, it's people who know their neighbors and watch out for one another. Funny though....Elkins being so racist while a Venezualen owned and operated restaruant in town is absolutely booming and the community loves them.

          • The bookman


            You see racism because you want to, not because it's there. Real crime was being committed, and the resulting hysteria would have occurred, eg increased patrols, rumors swirling, regardless of race. I don't know you, nor do I understand your politics. You make Elkins out to be some red neck hick town with a homogenous society. Couldn't be further from accurate. It's an Arts Town, a College Town, a hub for Tourism of all Kinds. People from all over the Country and world settle there because it's an awesome place. My children have a traveling Art teacher that speaks French. They have Spanish, Japanese, and Indian speaking classmates in public school. And that is an Elementary School of less than 300 kids. It's still WV, not Washington DC, but it is far from exclusionary to all but white people.

            Your experience in Elkins wasn't a good one, and I can't explain why that is. But ask around if that is the norm for folks visiting Elkins. You can find racism anywhere you look for it. As was stated by Hoppy and others on his show today, every culture has a group they view as less than equal. The responsibility we all have is to call it out when it presents itself for what it is. Did someone in Elkins suggest "a Mexican Gang" was responsible for crime? Probably. Is that indicative of Community Racism? Not hardly!

          • Jason412

            Obvious community racism, in my view, is when the police take it seriously enough to increase patrols and it is being questioned at city council meetings, and is a big enough "rumor" to get an article in the paper. There's plenty of rumors on a daily basis that never make the local paper. That doesn't mean the entire community is involved, but to say it is individual racism would be false.

            As far as saying I suggested they were ran out of town by a mob, I clearly said they left on their own probably due to being harassed by the police, an outcome I'm sure was not unexpected.

            Ah yes, the rape allegation. What date were the charges filed for that? You're saying a significant uptick in crime can be attributed to 6 or so people, who were never charged with any crime, not the rise of meth abuse?

            " a reasonable response to a heightened awareness of threat in the community."

            This says a lot. A threat in the community. A threat I believe was being called a "threat" even before the rape allegation. A threat that, despite an increase in police presence, were never charged with a crime. What factor's contribute to someone being labeled a threat when they've not been convicted, or even charged, with a crime?

            White people, that are actual threats to the community with extensive criminal histories in the area, come and go in Elkins everyday and without ever resulting to such hysteria. What do you call that?

          • The bookman

            "An example of obvious community racism that always comes to mind for me happened a few years ago. In the town my in-law's live in, which has a population of close to 9 or 10,000 and 98%+ white, a few Mexican's (less than 10) moved into the town at the same time."

            Obvious community racism? You suggest that they were ridden out of town on a rail with a pitchfork wielding mob chasing in the background. There were reports of rape and a significant uptick in crime. Increased patrols were called for in my opinion, and a reasonable response to a heightened awareness of threat in the community.

            I live outside of town but travel through at all hours of the day and night. There is still a heightened sense of police presence, as crime is on the rise. You can qualify your statements however you would like, but your lead in sentence says it all. "An example of obvious community racism....."

            Pretty incendiary assumption from some anecdotal comments. Stop and frisk in Elkins? Really?

          • Jason412


            First off, I said I was not sure what percentage of the community it involved. Second, I did not base my statements on the article, I based it on my experience of being in the area at the time what I heard and saw.

            To say I'm making assumptions, while assuming I know nothing other than what I read in the paper and based my statement entirely on that, now that's offensive. I might not know the people who directly asked the question to city council, but I do know a number of people who were saying the same things.

            What would you call it if not outrage? If not for their race, why were they immediately labeled as gang members?

            When a group of my white friends and I were in the town, there were no rumors of us being a gang. We weren't stopped and searched by the police after walking out of a gas station, only to be let go after nothing was found, as I personally witnessed happen to two Mexican gentleman. I would frequently see them at the store and walking or riding bicycles, never seen them gang banging nor ever heard of a one of them committing a crime.

            Here's a quote from the article, asked at a City Council Meeting
            "My neighbors and I have heard a lot of rumors about gang activity in town," South Kerens resident Jamie Bickel said. "We have seen more patrols. Is there any truth to the rumor of a gang in Elkins, West Virginia?"

            and the response
            "White said he ordered "saturation patrols" in the area because of a growing number of rumors being spread around town" - Supports my guess that it wasn't one or two people saying this.

            Call it a "perceived" racial divide all you want, but if someone moves in to my town and I have no knowledge of them ever committing a crime or know anything else about them besides they look different than me I don't automatically assume they are a gang and bring it up at a City Council meeting. The fact the police had already increased patrols before the question was even asked at the council meeting speaks for its self.

            How many times have the police increased patrols due to a white family moving into the area?

            Please elaborate on my earlier question, why were they labeled as gang members, if not for their race? What justifies increased police patrols and stop and frisk tactics when there is absolutely no evidence, those are the police chief's words, of them being criminals or in a gang if not for their race? If I went to the local City Council, and say I heard Bookman and his friends are gang members, would you expect increased police patrol's?

    • Jason412

      People were labeling West Virginian's as dumb, racist, hillbillies long before Obama was elected.

      • Aaron

        Dr. Carletta Bush offers an online Appalachian History Course. You would benefit greatly from it.

        • Aaron

          The class is at WVU, by the way.

          • Aaron

            It really is a wonderful class and perhaps if more knew the stereotypes that have been promoted about not only West Virginia but Appalachia, they might be surprised.

          • Silas Lynch

            My sociology professor was very fond of speaking about Appalachian culture, history and the man
            Our state, as well as the country, would be much better if our modern culture more closely resembled this culture from yesteryear

      • Worm

        +1 All you need to do is look at the facts. West Virginia without question is one of the most uneducated states in America. Is West Virginia racist? That one is painfully obvious. This state has sucked money from the federal government at rate that is embrassing. Based on our population WV has spent more federal tax dollars and returned less to the federal govement than rest the of US. We are ranked near the bottom in that category. Now there is something all of us proud West Virginias be can proud of among our other grand national rankings

        • wow

          How could that be, all these years under Dumacrat control and still this bad. Oh wait, so Dumacrats must be just as racist as republicans and conservatives. Who would have thought????

        • Shadow

          Maybe that is why we fly more US Flags more that anyone or why we have had more dead in our wars or why we still respect the Military? Have you ever looked at the Federal Money that CA, VA, FL, and others that have sucked money out of the Federal Treasury for their projects and military hardware and bases? How about Cost of Living pay increases for Federal Employees because the State Budgets are bloated? Your argument falls on deaf ears. I don't like that last standing WV has in some areas, but I am not sure the common folks are to blame other than their blinding faith in the Democratic Party. But then, that is changing, the Party has left them.

          • Shadow

            like you, I left a long time ago because there was no future in WV. That doesn't mean that I don't respect the folks that remained. They have their reasons and I hope ;they are happy. My problem is that I think that WV can be more than it is by bringing in a better set of laws to provide hope for those that are growing up. All one has to do is to look at the success that TX, FL and SC have had through government reform and is extremely difficult to do in WV with it's adherence to the Status Quo.

          • Goodbye

            I'm prospering in the great state of Texas. And you are correct Texas is creating new jobs in the thousands every day. Freeport area will create 20,0000 new jobs in that area. After losing my job in the far less that great state of West Virginia I'm proud that I had sense enough to leave.

          • Goodbye

            I'm proud to have had enough gas in the tank to get the hell out that god forsaken state 30 years ago.
            If WV was such great place to live Mayflower Moving would not designate the state as the #1 exit point in the United States.

          • Shadow

            Flying the Flag is a indication of respect for our Military, Constitution, and way of life. I think you will find more good Americans flying the flag than burning it.

            Your comment was that WV "sucked" money out of the Federal Government by some means, I guess by Social Security. My comment was that CA and VA suck money out of the Federal Government by being recipients of Federal Dollars for Military Projects and the resulting jobs. WV has no significant Military base or defense industry to suck those Federal Dollars.

            I know a lot of WVians and few of them think they are better than anyone else. They are proud to be WVians but if you are not proud of what you are, what are you? Nothing...

            If you haven't noticed, CA is flying the Mexican Flag and losing business and people faster than anyone else in the Country. TX is waving the America Flag and growing.

          • The bookman


            WV ranks #1 in the nation in per capita military service to our country. That is not a measure of dollars to the treasury, or economic productivity. That is a measure of human life. Have some respect.

          • Worm

            Sorry flying the flag does not make someone a good American. There is the delusional belief that some how West Virginia's stature in the nation is some what better than the rest. How can anyone believe that the State of Califorinia (which by the way has the GNP greater than most countries in the world) Virginia (16 mil. People) and Florida have given less to the Feds than WV. Must be a write off on flag waving and god fearing.

  • Paul

    I believe the Senator was not making any partisan statement at all when he said "Because he was the wrong color". Back in the state primary election 42% of the democrats voted for an unknown white inmate in Texas and it certainly was not based on his name recognition,experience, leadership and character.

    • Aaron

      Did the know the color of Mt. Judd's skin?

    • 2XLPatriot

      Ever thought that it may have been because he was the lesser of 2 evils?

  • JT

    So Rocky pulls out the race card like 95% of the other liberals in D.C. No big surprise. Did it ever occur to him that it's not about race, but about the most corrupt and inept administration in modern history?

    • Gary

      I completely agree with JT. It has nothing to do with race the Obama administration is also the most secretive administration. Rockefeller is so out of with the people of WV and he saw the writing on the wall as an Obama puppet and realized he might be voted out. Good by Rockefeller you can't leave soon enough.

  • Aaron

    As early as January 2008 with the primarily election just beginning and Hillary Clinton enjoying what seemed an insurmountable lead, The Obama Camp was accusing both Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton of using the race card. In July of the same year, he was accusing the McCain camp of racism when Obama said "Well, we know we’re not very good but you can’t risk electing Obama. You know, he’s new, he’s… doesn’t look like the other presidents on the currency, you know, he’s got a, he’s got a funny name."

    From July to November, the Obama campaign accused Mitt Romney of racism. That campaign used other African Americans in making the accusations. An African American VA State Senator did a series of ads in which she make comments like "What I am saying to you is Mitt Romney, he’s speaking to a segment of the population who does not like to see people other than a white man in a White House or any other elected position."

    The race card has been played in every Obama campaign. It seems that everyone who runs against him is a racist.

    • Dodie

      Not everyone. I'd guess about 45%.

      • Aaron

        You have evidence to substantiate your guess?

        • Dodie

          Do you have evidence I'm wrong?

          • Aaron

            Google "Clinton fairy tale Obama" then Google "Obama McCain racism" then google "Obama Romney racism."

            If you're willing to look, you'll find these 8 words multiple times. "Oppose because of the color of his skin."

  • S and T

    Rocky should crawl back under the rock that he crawled out from under 50 years ago ....

  • thornton

    I suspect it was simply a final push of "look at me" ...a stab at attention-gathering, a hunt for relevancy past "oh, him...is he still here?" and, bringing back memories of both flashbulbs and manipulating the yokels with patter and pesos.

    There is nothing entertaining about unsurprising dishonesty in any of that patter uncloaked.....dim shades of Donald Sterling?
    Was that entertaining?
    If so, more folks need library cards.

  • Wowbagger


    The answer is simple and was discussed by some in the days when Jay had to really interact with we the people without the veil afforded a sitting Senator.

    The Rockefeller clan realized John D Rockefeller IV wasn't the brightest bulb on the Rockefeller ... er, I'll be politically correct, Holiday Tree and bought him a sinecure in West Virginia's one party political system. Now as his career is coming to an end the vail is slipping.

    BTW: My current preferred 2016 candidate is Ben Carson. Skin color is irrelevant, character and intelligence plus an openness to effective solutions are the important factors.

  • CaptainQ

    Hoppy, these kind of PR tactics by the Democrats are not news. It's been the 'fall back' position when faced with opposition on President Obama's policies from the beginning. "If you speak against Obama in any way, shape or form, you're a racist." Thus the Main Stream Media has successfully framed the entire GOP/Tea Party as a group of racists.

    Nothing new here, Hoppy.

  • Medman

    Liberals refuse to admit that the most hated group in their eyes are black, successful, conservatives. They profile these folks because they cannot stand a black man or woman who speaks out against socialism and extreme progressive thought. The list is growing i.e. Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, Ben Carson, Herman Cain, Allen West, etc. But, you cannot call this racism, right?

    • wow

      spot on

  • Silas Lynch

    This is simple, and as many of us have always suspected, Jay is a bit of a simpleton.

    This is the political strategy of scoundrels and the very subject matter of Jay's assertion is hardly worthy of any serious consideration.

    Seems the "left" expects us only to judge President Obama by the color of his skin and not the content of his character.

    What a pathetic caricature of its former self the democrats have turned our political process and nation into.

    • Jason412


      I can't help but ask again, is your moniker taken from the character "Silas Lynch" who portrays black's as beastly rapists of white women in the film "Birth of A Nation"?

      • Silas Lynch

        Birth of a Nation? but how fitting we discuss the political policies and strategy of a real, honest to goodness Carpetbagger, Jay Rockefeller --- But NO!! Just a quirk of fate.

        But in the movie Silas Lynch was portrayed to be no more than a typical politician with the same weakness' as many politicians-- SEX and corruption-- Much like former president, Bill Clinton.
        Isn't it ironic Clinton is the self-proclaimed first Black president, as well? Obviously a proclamation by Clinton while pandering to the African-American.

        • Jason412

          If you don't think that character is racist and is just a portrayal of a typical politician, I'm not sure what you would find to be racist. I was under the impression it was generally accepted, by people of all races, that Silas Lynch is a historically racist film character.

  • Helen

    Hoppy, could you elaborate sometime on the last sentence of this commentary sometime? I know I'm kind of slow but I just don't get it.

    • Shadow

      Hoppy was being nice to Rocky, he gave him the ability to think when his best performance has been To Follow. To Follow is all you need to be a Democratic Senator.

      • David

        That's true. Many followed "Tricky" Dick Nixon........right off the bridge. Oh, Happy Days.

      • Helen

        Thanks, Hoppy.

  • Shadow

    What a joke Rocky is! Senility? Likely, it comes on you slowly.. In 2012, Herman Cain was very popular with Americans because of his ability, as a CEO, his personality, and his ideas. Ben Carson has come out of the Medical Field with ideas and personality that impresses a lot of people. Obama is hated by a majority of Americans, not because of his color, but his desire to destroy the USA and its ideals. Rocky and his performance proves that inherited money doesn't make you smarter than the person who didn't inherit a dime. It only make you arrogant.

  • The Real Story

    The real story is Republicans won't accept a Democrat as president and they will do everything they can to damage him and with it the country if need be. Look how they treated the last three. Carter, nothing but ridicule and disdain, Clinton they harassed his entire time with a Whitewater Investigation that cost $75 million and lasted 6.5 years )what did we get for that? "no evidence of any wrong doing by the Clintons), and now Obama who they have blocked everything he tried to do once they controlled Congress.

    Now rather than doing ANYTHING constructive they are holding another investigation in Benghazi, well it's not truly an investigation as 4 investigations have already been done, it is a opportunity to fundraise and damage the President, which is all they care about, the country be damned.

    • mntr Bob.

      Real, I believe there were over a dozen convictions some of various crimes, no crime here, I guess. IMO a "John Dean" never surfaced or the Clinton's would have gone down as well. At least some of the Clinton cronies were pardoned by their buddy.

    • The Truth

      What you are describing is a balance of power. Yes the Republicans are fighting the Democrat agenda, because they were elected to do JUST THAT. What are you thinking? When the Democrats had too much power we got Obamacare, a liberal tilt in the federal judiciary and two far left wing justices on the supreme court. If left unchecked we will have the federal government controlling and oppressing every facet of our lives, massive entitlement programs with the corresponding massive taxes in a vain attempt to slightly slow the growth rate of the national debt. We will be New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and California on a national scale. And if the Republicans are in power the same will happen but for different reasons. The only practical way I see to slow down this madness is to have the two equally balanced so they can't accomplish their agendas. Yes government stalemate is a great thing as a matter of fact, embrace it and love it.

      And Carter,Clinton, Bush and Obama each deserved everything they got. None were treated unfairly

      • Hop'sHip

        What about Reagan? Did he get what he deserved?

        • Hop'sHip

          Well he certainly got a pass like no other President I can remember. If there ever was an impeachable offense it was certainly Iran/Contra, with an executive branch clearly, purposely defying Congress and the law. But he got away with it because everybody, including the news media, seem to accept that he personally had nothing to do with it. And I do too after reading the story on how he approached his own HUD Secretary at a White House reception for city mayors and greeted him as Mr. Mayor and asked him how things were going in his city. Of course knowing what we know now, that is more sad than funny.

          • Aaron

            A president surrounds himself with good people. Nothing says you cannot keep effective people.

            How much of Obama's success in foreign policy has because of his continuation of Bush Policies with Bush people.

            Like it or not, Ronald Reagan inherited an economy much worse than Barrack Obama, instituted policies you detest and the result was astounding.

          • The bookman

            But Volcker served two consecutive terms, and was reappointed by Reagan in '83. Just as I blame Obama for the easing policies of Bernanke, I applaud Reagan for his support of Volcker's successes at the helm of the Fed.

            It should also be noted that his predecessor, the first Carter appointee G. William Miller, is largely credited as the man who sealed the economic collapse and the entry into the common lexicon of stagflation. His lone accomplishment was to successfully ban smoking at the meetings. Classic. Thank god Volcker was there. Volcker made the hard decisions that negatively impacted the economy in the short term, but set the stage for the economic expansion that we enjoyed as described by Aaron above.

          • Hop'sHip

            Well may I recommend a book - "Tear Down This Myth" by Will Bunch? You can read excerpts from on Google Books. But even as a Reagan myth-protector you are not seriously crediting him with bringing down inflation, are you? I think even the deluded recognize credit for that goes to the Carter-appointed Fed Chairman.

          • Aaron

            None of that changes the fact that during. His first term trickle down economics grew the economy like no other, from the Forbes article I linked earlier. Feel free to dispute any figures enclosed.

            "These economic policies amounted to the most successful economic experiment in world history. The Reagan recovery started in official records in November 1982, and lasted 92 months without a recession until July 1990, when the tax increases of the 1990 budget deal killed it. This set a new record for the longest peacetime expansion ever, the previous high in peacetime being 58 months.

            During this seven-year recovery, the economy grew by almost one-third, the equivalent of adding the entire economy of West Germany, the third-largest in the world at the time, to the U.S. economy. In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the recovery, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989.

            The shocking rise in inflation during the Nixon and Carter years was reversed. Astoundingly, inflation from 1980 was reduced by more than half by 1982, to 6.2%. It was cut in half again for 1983, to 3.2%, never to be heard from again until recently. The contractionary, tight-money policies needed to kill this inflation inexorably created the steep recession of 1981 to 1982, which is why Reagan did not suffer politically catastrophic blame for that recession.

            Real per-capita disposable income increased by 18% from 1982 to 1989, meaning the American standard of living increased by almost 20% in just seven years. The poverty rate declined every year from 1984 to 1989, dropping by one-sixth from its peak. The stock market more than tripled in value from 1980 to 1990, a larger increase than in any previous decade."

        • Aaron

          Credit? From some, yeah.

          An excellent article about trickle down tripe.


        • The bookman

          Reagan seized the moment, because he had the ability to speak directly to the people so clearly that their representatives could clearly hear him. Reagan was awesome, and we could benefit from such inspired leadership.

    • Williamwallace

      Were you alive when Carter was President? If you were and were lucky to have a job then you protecting him and this president is beyond comprehension? I will give Carter this much at least he thought he was doing something right for the country while this POS knows he is destroying the economics and international influence of the USA

      • TD

        He didn't leave us with the "worst financial crisis since the Great Depression" did he?

        George W's words.

    • Silas Lynch

      If the Republicans sit on their hands and do nothing to help the Democrats do NOTHING,,, then they are certainly be CONSTRUCTIVE in saving The United States from certain doom and failure brought on by progressivism.

      • Silas Lynch

        Sory, my lap top is in its final days. it refuses to record every key stroke and sometimes will post if I just move the cursor near the "submit"

    • Shadow

      No matter how you express it, there were four dead Americans in Bengazi after the fire fight and no one in the White House did one thing to help them. Fund raising was more important! It is only too obvious that you did not serve in the Military and know it's ideals of No Man Left Behind..

      • TD

        There were 11 attacks on our embassy's while Bush was president, in all 59 people were killed and 90 were injured.

        This issue has been investigated thoroughly and suggestions have been implemented. This investigation is set up so that there are 7 republicans and 5 dems on the committee (so the dems can call no witnesses) and is NOTHING but an opportunity to damage Obama and Hillary Clinton, plus use it to raise money.

        If it were a constructive investigation, like say the 911 committee when dems didn't use Bush's stupidity of allowing us to be attacked as a way to damage him, that could be a good thing. This is PURELY POLITICAL and just another shameful act by what's left of the nutcase republican party.

        • ViennaGuy

          TD, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall the Bush administration making the ridiculous claim that a YouTube video was the driving force behind attacks on a US embassy.

          I also don't recall Secretary of State Powell or Secretary of State Rice yelling "What difference does it make?" at a Congressional committee when it came to why an attack on a US embassy occurred.

          And I also don't recall the Bush administration denying additional military protection to diplomatic outposts when requested by those outposts(which, as we know, happened in Benghazi).

          Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

          • Hop'sHip

            My favorite was when Cheney and company planted a story with a friendly "journalist" at the New York Times (wonder where she is now) then made the Sunday Talk show circuit citing the article as providing support as to why taking action against Iraq was necessary. How many hearings did we have on that? Maybe we can include an investigation of that along with Benghazi.

          • ViennaGuy

            Nice reply, TD; you did not address a single point I made.

          • TD

            The Bush Administration, when asked how long the Iraq war might take, "six days, six weeks, I doubt six months".

            Feel free to correct me...

            If there is a difference in six months and ten years,

            If there is a difference between the war paying for itself or costing a trillion dollars.

            If when told a majority of the American people no longer supported the war Cheney responded, "so?"

            The truth is once the attack started in Benghazi there was no way to respond in time to stop it, that's the simple truth of the matter.

        • zero tolerance

          I just love this comparison of Bush embassy engagements by the lefties. It's like comparing apple and oranges! Personnel at the embassies attacked were NOT ABANDONED and LEFT TO DIE by the Bush Administration as they were under the current administration despite OBVIOUS warning sings and requests made for support BEFORE and DURING the attack!

          Apples and Oranges!

        • The bookman

          Welcome back TD.

          We're you equally incensed by Nancy Pelosi's stacked Global Warming Select Committee in 2007. Its membership included 9 Democrats and 6 Republicans, including Shelley Capito by the way. You make it sound as though the Republicans are not playing by the rules, but it is common to make up these committees to reflect the majority numbers in the House.

          Again, good to have some balance to the arguments, so don't be a stranger!

  • Hop'sHip

    They just need an appropriate comparison, not an excuse. And they have one in Obama's predecessor. Both had to deal with a recession upon taking office, but it is hardly arguable that the recessions were comparable. Plus Bush was handed a much better budget situation, giving him much greater room for maneuvering. Bush also had more favorable legislative support for a longer period of his terms than Obama. Given that, I think you will find that private sector job creation compares quite well to that of Bush. Bush had more public sector job creation, that having actually fallen under Obama, but I doubt that you want to hang your hat on that. Given the country's demographics and the global nature of today's economics, I'm not sure what alternative economic policies would have produced markedly better results. Certainly there is little reason to believe that Bush's tax cutting for the higher brackets policies would have.

    • Aaron

      Perhaps the President should not have spent less money than he has. George W. Bush, by no means a frugal fellow, added something to the tune of $5 trillion dollars to our national debt in 8 years. As of this morning, Barrack Obama has added $7.5 trillion dollars.

      That's not me making up numbers.. Add the www to the remainder of this link


      plug in the dates and see for yourself.

      • Williamwallace

        George Bush turned out to be the idiot the Media portrayed to be but not for the correct reasons. He did have the power for a while to make the USA stronger and he instead chose to be middle of the road economically and morally. At least the rest of the world still feared us. Obama on the other hand is just pure evil. You can't excuse his lies for stupidity. He is bringing us down on purpose with excuses and lies.

        • Silas Lynch

          W. Bush, as is his daddy and brother Jeb are progressives. Although, W. has a bit of Evangelical in him due to him finding some solace in faith to help curb his substance addiction he still is a social progressive and hardly a fiscal conservative. He's certainly more conservative than Obama on all fronts but is slightly further to the left of JFK---

    • The bookman

      I agree that Obama's inherited economy was worse than Bush's, but don't forget that 9 months after Bush took office 9/11 shook our country, bringing headwinds to any efforts to deal with the flagging economy. Still not an accurate comparison though.

      Look at the economic malaise that Jimmy Carter handed to Reagan. Reagan NEVER had both houses of Congress during his Presidency, yet delivered an enormous surge in our economy, increasing household income, and producing jobs by reducing taxes and deregulation.

      Here is a great comparison from the Wall Street Journal


      There is a template to follow, but it requires a different philosophy than what Obama or Bush utilized. Stimulus is a short term solution to mask the underlying problems in a flagging economy. Real jobs that add intrinsic value to products that are in demand are what we need.

      • Hop'sHip

        They want me to pay to read that article. But I would argue that Reagan did rely on fiscal stimulus. It's just a case that he borrowed to spend on things of which you approve. But mostly he was the recipient of an accommodating monetary policy. And if you had to choose a decade that provided a template, why didn't you choose the 90s? We had even better job growth then and actually reduced deficits. I would argue that neither is particularly pertinent to today, when we have become aged society. I know because I am a contributor to that, and grow older with every passing day.

        • Aaron

          "why didn't you choose the 90s?"

          Really? You sure you want to go there.


          Dispute the numbers.

          If you can.

          • Aaron

            Dispute them with sources you consider stronger Helen.

          • Helen

            Aaron, your sources are a little weak, my man.

          • Aaron

            Numbers don't lie.

          • Hop'sHip

            I bet a gold bug like Kadlec longs for Calvin Coolidge too. I found his analysis unconvincing. He seems to spin the facts to match his ideological biases. Imagine that.

        • The bookman

          We were discussing a time period following a significant recession. The Bush recession was not comparative, the Reagan recession was.

          • Aaron

            He doesn't want to go there. The Gipper kicks Obama's in every category.

  • The bookman

    You left one possible explanation out. It is a feeble attempt to explain away the obvious failure of this President's policies in moving the country forward.

    The President HAS achieved legislatively and by executive order much of what he has wished to achieve, but to no avail. When you look at the impact on the economy in his 5 + years as President, over 1/3 of that time he and his party held majorities in both houses so the implementation of his agenda was fast tracked, are we better off? They need an excuse, badly, as the 2014 midterms look pretty bleak. So bad that Mr Automatic himself, Senator Rockefeller is retiring, in lieu of suffering defeat at the hands of Shelley Capito. I'm sure it is frustrating to have participated in the gamble and to have authorized the expenditures that have fallen on deaf economic ears, so what do politicians do when that happens? They deflect the attention away from what IS happening and choose the political speak and excuse making instead of accepting the reality that government can't buy a free market economy. Consumers buy into a free market economy. That takes jobs, good jobs. And that takes industry, not service and government sector expansion. So as the great Mr Rockefeller heads to the door, the best he has is a poor Al Sharpton imitation. Very sad!

    • C. F. T.

      The Bookman, very, very well said. We the people (silent majority) reject liberal doctrine, but thanks to social engineering and tactics like The Overton Window liberalism is always in the narrative.