CHEAT MOUNTAIN, W.Va. — A logging truck driver is dead and dozens more are injured following an accident on Cheat Mountain Friday afternoon involving a logging truck and a train.

It happened around 2 p.m. at a crossing on Route 250 near the Randolph County and Pocahontas County line.  Route 250 was reopened Saturday night.

“The first call came in to the Pocahontas County 911 at 1:26 p.m. and it was the conductor calling 911, the conductor of the train,” said Lawrence Messina, spokesman for the state Dept. of Military Affairs and Public Safety.

Randolph County Office of Emergency Services Director Jim Wise said “somewhere between 50 to 60 people are slightly injured to injured and three are critical.”

Messina said Friday night that 62 people had been transported to Davis Memorial Hospital in Elkins after the train crash, three of them with critical injuries, according to hospital records.

“Davis reports that 43 people were taken to that hospital by bus, of those four were treated,” he said. “Another 19 were taken to Davis by ambulance, so we have totals of 23 people treated and 39 people who declined initial screening.”

On Friday evening, state officials confirmed the person who was killed was driving the truck that slammed into the side of the train as it crossed Route 250. The driver was identified Saturday as Danny Lee Kimble Sr. of Frank.

State Department of Highways officials tell MetroNews there are warning lights at the crossing and they were operating.

The train is the Cheat Mountain Salamander, a privately owned tourist train operated by Durbin and Greenbrier Valley Railroad.  According to its website, the Cheat Mountain Salamander takes passengers on “mountain wilderness excursion rides.”  This time of year the ride is popular among tourists because of fall foliage.

Governor Tomblin issued a statement saying, “Our thoughts and prayers are with all those involved and the emergency responders working the tragic accident in Randolph County this afternoon.  My administration is working with all agencies involved to ensure the first responders and emergency managers on the ground are receiving the assistance they need.”

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  • jtb@aol.com

    Pines's wife was a drunk

  • jtb@aol.com

    Pines's wife is still a drunk.. or a dead drunk

  • jbl

    Pines : I hope your wife rots in hell

  • jbl

    I hope Pines wife rots in hell.

  • lucinda p

    I see where the truck driver was completely at fault.

  • lucinda p

    Remember to STOP, LOOK and LISTEN. Rob, you might want to write this down.

  • jtb

    So Pines, with all of your rr experience, maybe you can tell us what the operating rule is for a shoving movement over a xing at grade is. Do all goofballls like you live in MO....

  • lucinda p

    guarentee truck pilots kill 100 to railroads 0 in every 10 miles traveled

  • lucinda p

    There are several videos of Cheat mtn where people trying to beat the train. Common sense would tell you not to try this with no clue that a train could kill you. The YES LAW proves that dirty people will try anything .....

  • lucinda p

    rob, why are you not against drinking and driving since you wife was drunk when she was hit by a train. Your safety phoney is hanging out.

  • Retired FRA Inspector

    Lucinda P, I believe that for some reason Pines feels guilty about his wife's death, and has entered into a life-long mission of demonizing others to ease that guilt. Perhaps if he were better educated, he would be more effective in his endeavor. But as everyone has seemed to notice, he makes nothing but foolish statements. His attack against you makes him look foolish beyond belief!

  • Retired FRA Inspector

    Lucinda, I believe that for some reason Pines feels guilty about his wife's death, and has entered into a life-long mission of demonizing others to ease that guilt. Perhaps if he were better educated, he would be more effective in his endeavor. But as everyone has seemed to notice, he makes nothing but foolish statements. His attack against you makes him look foolish beyond belief!

  • lucinda p

    Rob, there is nothing phoney about me. You seem to be a very mean person. I do know what a foamer club is but it sounds like you are being nasty.
    You must be involved in the trucking industry to be protecting them like you do. The picture clearly shows the pilot of the truck was speeding and no co pilot. Trucks should not be allowed to operate at night, in rain, snow, or fog. They do not even have rear view mirrors. They are always speeding and the brakes never work. In fact they need to be banned from interstate all together and Max speed should be 15 mph. They cause 12 deaths in every 10000 miles driven.

  • D. P. Lubic

    Lucinda, at the risk of being offensive, I'm going to give you (and the others here) some advice. This Pine fellow is what some would call a "troll," someone who says outrageous things to get attention. Maybe he suffers from the loss of his wife in a grade crossing accident, maybe even that is made up (you can't really tell here).

    The point is, he gets attention when people respond to him. Best advice--ignore him. Let him get frustrated like a child that doesn't get attention. In the process, he will reveal himself to be the fool he is.

    I am reminded of a saying you used to here, but don't much anymore, that went "You can't make a monkey out of me!" I believe it had its origins in the Scopes "monkey trials" of the 1920s, which were about the teaching of evolution in schools. This was the person saying, in effect, "You can't make a fool out of me!"

    That's actually true. Neither you, nor me, nor anyone else can make someone a fool or a "monkey." We can only reveal that someone is a fool or a "monkey!" And in the case of this fellow, we don't even have to do that--he does it himself! Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho!!!

  • rob pine

    lucinda p ---Your PHONEY is hanging out. All you tell from the truck is that it was wrecked. Go crawl back into the ooze you came out of. Now go tell your foamer club/railroad owners/ or Feds you need to be replaced.

  • rob pine

    There's several youtube videos of Cheat mountain trains. Shove mode ---gate failures--etc. Common sense would say not to go backwards with no clue what was behind you ---thus road guards. The NO law by Feds is one of the many things that proves they are dirty.

  • jbl

    Push mode , foward horns , road guards....What the hell are you talking about. You are one screwball. Where do you come up with this bs. If the state covers it up , then prove you big bag of wind. You have never proved any of bs before.

    You have no clue what thd rules are for a SHOVE move is.

  • lucinda p

    Rob, I do not know what you mean by paid gun or hired gun. All of my guns were bought at Walmart and the government did not pay for them. I have two boys and tell them to obey the law and use common sense.

    I can tell by the pictures that the truck had numerous violations and was speeding. Trucks cause 14 deaths a day and should not operate when there is fog. They are always speeding and have sucky breaks.

    I do not fish but thanks for the tip. I am not a dead person.

  • D. P. Lubic

    Rob Pine is such a doofus. The truck isn't a tractor-trailer; it's a straight truck. No trailer to jack-knife.

    Supposedly some information from a train crew member from the area. Just a sad story--and a reminder that maybe we need to really concentrate on what we're doing.

    "I will give some first hand info on the accident. The truck was on a down hill grade. The railroad crossing is well marked with two signs indicating that there is a rail crossing ahead. The signal lights were also working. I talked to some of the people that knew the driver. He usually runs hard while driving. He had just dropped of his daughter and was delivering his last load. His son had a football game that evening and he probably wanted to be there. It is a shame that it ended in his death. We are lucky that the truck hit at the coupling. I have taken photos of the accident scene and the damage to the rail cars."

    A lot of people talk about the distractions of cell phones--and that's true. Some have argued that future cars should have some gizmo that disables cell phones and text devices when the car is in operation, to help enforce concentration on the part of the driver.

    If the train crew member's comments above are true, then it is a reminder that we don't need a cell phone to be distracted. How many of us have let our minds wander with concerns about paying bills, or in anticipation of something we will be doing later?

    I repeat--let this sad story be a reminder of how we should be "heads up" all the time behind the wheel.

  • Retired FRA Inspector

    Pines, from your senseless posts, it appears that you are the sick puppy.

  • ashlynmarie42

    Thank You. I'm friends with his sons, and they dont need to hear all this other trash. You are sooo right.

  • ashlynmarie42

    This is true. I live in Pocahontas County, and I have never ever seen the train cross there. The lights are older than the hills and not very visible. He did not have breaks, and tried to swerve to miss the train. The rumors flying are ridiculous. It could've been anyone, including my father who is a Truck Driver.

  • rob pine

    Anybody watch dogging this railroads financials so they don't quick deed everything before the trials start?

  • rob pine

    Google weather news/west-virgina-truck-train-crash-20131011

    Looking at the pictures here with the truck going downhill and engine facing uphill---The train had to be in push mode illegally without road guards,forward headlights, or forward train horns. The 50 year old whistle sign (in picture of train engine) 400 foot too close to the crossing for 20 mph track would be out of sight of the train engine going backwards till the tail of the train was almost in the road. Isn't the engineer on the btitish side of the cab? So he couldn't see the road nor the truck.

    Since the front of the trailer isn't ripped out ---looks like to me the truck driver jack knifed and layed the truck down intentionally after getting caught in the train trap actually saving a bunch of lives.

    Of course the state will try to cover up the pathetic condition of THEIR railroad crossing and the real facts will be hid as always.

  • rob pine

    Well Lucinda P ---It takes a pretty no morals individual to take a dead persons name killed by a train and use it on a message board. So A. Your a railroad paid hired gun B. A government paid hired gun or C. A very sick puppy with trains as GODs on the brain which many seemed afflicted with. Your weigh like 500 pounds ---40 years old living in your mommas basement sucking twinkies all day thinking you are cool making crass statements.

    Now take some Kounty Kiss corn ---whole kernal --- sewing thread ---and go down to this creek and catch some trout.

  • lucinda p

    My 3 year old said it was an engineer and they do not drive a train because they do not have a steering wheel . I did not know that 3 people a day committed suicide by train. That is alot.

  • D. P. Lubic

    Whooee!! I'm looking at Rob Pine's comments, and boy, what a piece of work! I am sorry he lost his wife in a collision with a train, but as a serious rail enthusiast who attempted to start a couple of rail services, he has some real issues.

    Case in point: his allegations that the train shouldn't have been there in the fog. Good grief, how long has that railroad been there? Since at least the 1920s, maybe earlier? How long has that crossing been there?

    I wonder what he would think of Amtrak's operations in the Northeast Corridor, with trains hitting up to 150 mph in New England, and 135 mph in Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey. Heck, even commuter trains run at 100 mph there. A commuter train I sometimes ride from Martinsburg to Washington runs for miles in Maryland at 80 mph; curves limit speeds in West Virginia between Harpers Ferry and Martinsburg to about 50 mph.

    I recall reading a description of the Northeast Corridor (NEC) operation back in the late 1940s. Seems a couple of guys were driving up US 1 in Maryland, where it parallels the NEC (then owned and operated by the Pennsylvania Railroad), at night, in a fog, when they were overtaken by a passenger train going about 90 mph. Oh, it's normally quite safe to run that fast--you see, the law requires a railroad to have automatic block signals for operation above 40 mph. Above 80 mph, you need either cab signals (a display in the locomotive cab that duplicates the indications of the signals at trackside) or automatic train stop (automatically stops the train if a signal is ignored). The PRR and successor Amtrak have both on this line.

    The irony of the guys in the car? They were driving from Washington to New York because the airplane they intended to take was grounded on account of the fog. To add insult to injury, they were overtaken by the train as they passed a billboard advertising the air service that said they would have been in New York by the time they had reached that point. Should have taken the train--comfortable ride, nice dining car, good food. Wish we did more with them here in West Virginia.

    As to stopping distances, that's a matter of physics in railroading. Those steel wheels on steel rails have a nice, low coefficient of friction, one that's so low it approaches the supposedly "frictionless" maglev train. That's what makes a railroad so efficient. It also means a train is also running on a factor of adhesion that approaches that of a road covered with ice. For that reason, stopping distances for a train of any size and/or at any speed might be measured in miles. That's why you need to be very careful around a railroad. It's not that it's unsafe--it shouldn't jump and bite you like a snake, it's not like being in combat with people shooting at you--but it can be extremely unforgiving of errors.

    Oh, about those signals in Texas that were up with a train stopped--the gates go up after a certain time if the train is stopped. It's part of modern gate signals, a form of motion detector, meant to keep the crossing open for motorists if a train is standing in the crossing circuit but not blocking it. Gates go down again when the train starts moving. Video doesn't prove a thing.

  • rob pine

    Yep ---eight foot flood wall/or sound wall ---right by river ---right in front of road entrance signal lights at a CSX yard in Kentucky. Like 10 collisions. Federal Railroad-bought Association couldn't find anything wrong.

    I believe Texas ---Train takes out tractor trailer ---train still sitting there with gates sticking straight up in air ---All kinds of video evidence---FRA couldn't find nothing wrong.

  • rob pine

    Train drivers kill at least 3 people a day. Their like the DC Snipers ---train guy in trunk and government driving them around. Nobody else is stupid enough to drive a big rig with no brakes or steering more out of control than any driver 4X over the limit.

    If you ...can't swerve, stop on a dime, or slam it in reverse...then slow it down. Or in this case drive through dense fog across a state highway.

  • rob pine

    So State Department of Highways officials need fired and arrested for lieing to US and jury tampering.


    http://wvmetronews.com/2013/10/11/one-dead-several-injured-in-train-wreck/#comment-81748

    1 Dead, 60 injured in train accident
    ...State Department of Highways officials tell MetroNews there are warning lights at the crossing and they were operating....
    http://wvmetronews.com/2013/10/14/several-still-recovering-from-train-accident-investigation-continues/#comment-82811
    Several still recovering from train accident; investigation continues
    7:40 into...(LIGHTS WERE DESTROYED)---spokesperson for the state Department of Military Affairs and Public Safety ---

  • Retired FRA Inspector

    Shadow:

    I don't have a dog in this fight either old boy. And Pines doesn't tread on anyone's toes because his comments DON'T make any sense. I told you here and at CSX-SUCKS that I speak out against Pines because he tries to portray conductors and engineers as murders. And that dog ain't gonna hunt!

  • yeah yeah

    I grew up in Durbin and the am very familiar with the area. There are many signs placed on either side of the crossing and many warning signals miles before. The man driving the truck was a local man that had driven that route time and time again. He knew where the crossing was and was aware that the train was running this time of year. The train is always running in September, October and sometimes into December. They inform the town of this as well as local log truck drivers, because driving a log truck is a very common job in the area. Maybe there was a medical issue, or some other unknown reason for the accident. Wait until the investigation is complete, then make your judgments.

  • Retied Track Worker

    Has anyone ever thought that the tourist train company could be at fault. There is a lot more to a crossing then the flashing red lights. There are circuits that the train pass over to cause the lights to come on. These circuits are set up on the speed of track. So if the train was traveling 5 or 10 mph faster then it should have been (the track at Cheat Bridge is not high speed) the truck or maybe even a small car wouldn't been able to stop. (example) If the crossing was set for a train traveling 10mph and to give 10 seconds worth of warning before train foul the crossing. If a train would come into that circuit at 20mph that would only give about 5 seconds of warning. So before the blame can be place there is a lot of information that needs to be reviewed. Other then then the fact a log truck ran into the side of a train. If a car pulls out in front of you driving down the highway and you hit them in the side is it your fault so if there is no warning or not enough warning there is a train coming it can very easily the train company fault. One more thing the company that runs the tourist train leases the track from the state of WV so the state owns the track. I don't know why the state don't run the train it self like they do at Cass. If someone could pay to lease the track and pay employees and make profit then the state would be able to make even more profit then DGVRR can.

  • sha

    how can you say that the truck driver was going to fast!! you act like you were in the truck with that man He could have had a heart attack or another medical problem that kept him from stopping!! thats the problem with non truck drivers and people that dont know anything about trucks.. more accidents are caused by cars than by semi's but since they semi's have a gross weight of 80,000 pounds the 1st thing that people want to do i blame the semi and all they see is A BIG PAYDAY!!
    so show some respect for that man whom lost his life and wait until the medical examiers report comes back and tells what happened to that man

  • jbl

    Shadow. Mr pines is an expert the art of deception and lies. He fabricate lies about an industry he knows nothing about. He makes accusations without being able to provide facts to back up his claims. He will falsify information for his own agenda. The people you think he is stepping on toes are really the people who see right through his BS....AND Have no problem calling him out on it. He does not know how the rr industry is run....

    Just ask him about why a train needs an air bag and a steering wheel. Then get ready to laugh
    He has been warned by the FRA to stop sending in false reports about accidents he knew nothing about. In fact he has no clue about the railroad and its operation. He is not CREDITABLE...FACT

  • rob pine

    Stopping--- leaves you in the kill zone of the train longer especially in wet/slick /humped crossing conditions and your vehicle is more apt to stall out from a stop. Plus the getting rear ended factor.
    Look ---The railroads/state/Feds are dirty and don't mandate the train speeds to be lower than the sight lines given the crossing users. Called a DEADLY TRAP. Plus the trains are not mandated to be lit up like Christmas trees. LOOK AND SEE!!!
    Listen----Their are no train horns at 1,000s of private crossings. Listen for squirrels eating nuts or what?
    Now ___The bottom dweller railroads know this but makes/saves $$$ which they worship by not having the proper signals/sight lines/advance video etc...etc... and even the $10 "W" whistle sign markers needed to mark the crossings coming up. When the payouts for killing injuring KIDS becomes greater on the railroads worshiped bottom line all the buying off of safety officials will be gone and the proper safety equipment will magically appear.

  • Lucinda P

    Someone also needs to tell the MetroNews that the trucks tires were retreaded and had a low air temper. These goonie birds at google can put a program in there web site for this. That way accidents like this can be avoided...

  • Lucinda P

    Looks like the log flats on the trailer hitch were loose. This might be the reason the truck pilot did not see the train. The signal house banter lever is bent. This is caused by the impact of housing wheel of the cow glove of the train

  • Lucinda P

    looks like this crossing protection was within codes of transportation law. Firefighter you are right on about the crossing.

    The facts are the crossing protection worked as designed. I guarantee the passengers will have a law suit against the trucking company. You can tell by the picture that the hinge lights on the truck were not working before the accident.

  • John Thompson

    Yes I have and you can not hear but the bottom line is the sign still says to stop look & listen. We should all take a lesson and do as the school buses do.

  • Lucinda P

    It looks like the truck driver had a total disregard for his safety as well as the safety of others. He could have killed little children with his speed. Looks like the site line was more than ample. Just what was he doing that he did not see a big train right in front of him.

  • rob pine

    Looks like the signal on the uphill side was toast laying by the signal house on another news site. The downhill side signal mast I would say would be pancaked by the train car location. Anybody have pictures of the signal masts after?

    Also wondering why the front screen of the log trailer isn't tore to smitherines if the truck hit that hard.

  • Mike

    I agree with wv trucker I worked on this signal back in the spring and most of the traffic on that road drives way too fast. There is advance warning signs before the bridge but no one pays attention to them.What makes you think they will pay attention to a warning light. Let alone none of you know what is involved in or what it would cost to install an advance warning light at that location.SLOW DOWN

  • Shadow

    I don't have a dog in this fight but some of the things that Rob Pines has been saying makes sense.My sense is that he is treading on your toes. Your discussion of an accident investigation was good except that the idiots are in the Senate.

  • Bean

    Evidently, no one has read the news today. Local emergency responders say there were no skid marks, no evidence the driver tried to stop at all. Don't blame anyone. It's a tragic accident. Thankfully, no one was seriously injured on the train, unfortunately, a man felt he was forced to work another 60-80 hour work week in an effort to provide for his family. It could be that he fell asleep. 250, across that mountain, is very straight. only a few curves in that 20 or so mile stretch.

    This Rob Pine guy is too far out there to dignify his posts with an answer. Please don't entertain him

  • Retired FRA Inspector

    Pines has been on this kick ever since his wife was killed at a railroad crossing. Apparently his mission in life is to spread as much misinformation as possible about railroad crossing accidents and other incidents involving railroads. He does everything in his power to paint railroad employees as being evil. But his writing style, or lack thereof, quickly reveals his lack of intellect.

  • rob pine

    The updated Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) data shows 2011 also saw the lowest fatality rate ever recorded, with 1.10 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled in 2011, down from 1.11 deaths per100 million vehicle miles traveled in 2010. (1 fatality per 90,909,091miles traveled)
    SELECTION: RAILROAD - ALL / January TO December, 2012
    Total fatalities: 700
    Total nonfatal conditions: 8,253
    Total train miles: 731,654,465
    Switching miles: 85,844,207
    So railroads should have like 9 deaths in 811 million miles NOT 700 (numbers really hid ---was 762 killed a couple months ago)

  • rob pine

    The updated Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) data shows 2011 also saw the lowest fatality rate ever recorded, with 1.10 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled in 2011, down from 1.11 deaths per100 million vehicle miles traveled in 2010. (1 fatality per 90,909,091miles traveled)
    SELECTION: RAILROAD - ALL / January TO December, 2012
    Total fatalities: 700
    Total nonfatal conditions: 8,253
    Total train miles: 731,654,465
    Switching miles: 85,844,207
    So railroads should have like 9 deaths in 811 million miles NOT 700 (numbers really hid ---was 762 a couple months ago)

  • rob pine

    W-R-O-N-G firefighter

    The sight lines must go along with the mickey mouse cross-buck in ALL conditions. Many dead because the railroads/states/Feds are dirty and leave out the parts you left out.

    http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009r1r2/mutcd2009r1part1.pdf
    Section 1A.02 Principles of Traffic Control Devices
    To be effective, a traffic control device should meet five basic requirements:
    A. Fulfill a need;
    B. Command attention;
    C. Convey a clear, simple meaning;
    D. Command respect from road users; and
    E. Give adequate time for proper response.

    Facts are the crossing safety features SUCK no matter what/who the railroads buy off. Guaranteed the big railroads will be in in this.

  • ts_firefighter

    What everyone has failed to realize/mention is that a typical railroad crossing has no lights at all. All that is required is a white crossbuck at the crossing itself and a yellow warning sign in advance of the crossing. Until the facts come out about what really happened here, we may as well be predicting football scores or lottery numbers.

  • Bill

    Bulls---

  • rob pine

    I would think there would be no lazy susan to flip the train around for the trip back so it would be in push mode for half the trip. Hard to tell if the train was coming or going. Anyway the crossing lights are pathetically small for 55 mph traffic and the train lights are just pathetic period.

    http://jricard.com/share/crossing.jpg

    Pretty obvious the trees in back of the big truck need trimmed coming around the curve. Probably the ditch line cut back. Cantilevers holding the lights out over the road missing. Advanced lights missing. Light bars like on the emergency vehicles installed on train missing.

    The papers need to run this picture with arrows pointing to the crossing design and train warning flaws.

    Looks like all these emergency people would all be trained for sight requirements at intersections. No sight obstruction area on any accident reports.---Left out to cover the city,county, state, Feds collective rears who pump half the safety money for new roads to Wal-Mart.

    Or in this case millions pumped to CSX for track let go to haitis in a hand basket.

    State owned track so who does the investigation?

  • Retired FRA Inspector

    The NTSB is out of business at the present, thanks to the nitwits in the House of Representatives. But the Federal Railroad Administration will be investigating this accident as FRA inspectors are deemed essential and are still on the job. Witnesses will be interviewed and statements taken. The truck drivers blood will likely be tested for drugs, and perhaps an autopsy will be conducted to determine if he had a heart attack or stroke. His cell phone records will also be examined to determine if he was engaged in talking or texting at the time of the accident. His medical and driving records will also be investigated. Experts will examine what's left of the truck in an attempt to determine if a mechanical malfunction may have had a bearing on the accident. Sight distances, sight obstructions, highway signs, pavement markings and warning signs will also be studied and crossing signals tested for proper functioning. Marks on the highway will also be studies to determine if and where the truck's brakes were applied. There may also be a device on the truck that recorded its speed. So until all of this is done, we will not know exactly what caused and contributed to the accident.

  • Debbie McCarty

    yes, it was traveling in the same direction

  • Tom

    After reading all of these comments, I want to cry. I cry for the family of the truck driver. I cry for the passengers on the train who saw the truck coming; they will have nightmares about it for a long time. Finally, I cry for many of you who wrote comments that reveal your ignorance about how trucks, trains, highway crossing signals, etc., work. Since you obviously know how to use a computer, spend some time researching things first instead of expressing your uninformed opinion.

  • Shadow

    There is significant difference in stopping distance based upon the vehicle, sports cars to loaded trucks all have different distances and this should be taken into account when lights are placed.

  • Shadow

    Are you sure that the truck was going in that direction or is the print reversed?

  • Shadow

    Have you ever ridden in a diesel truck with the windows closed? It might change your mind.

  • Shadow

    I doubt if anyone that said that ever traveled in IN, IL, or OH and drove a trailer. I doubt if he/she ever left Charleston.

  • Bill

    There is plenty of room to stop a vehicle at this train crossing, unless you're speeding and overloaded.

  • Observer

    If the train signal lights would have been working accidents like these wouldn't happen. It was said by many people that just did cross in front of the log truck that the lights were NOT working.

  • rob pine

    Well JBL come on by---I'll bake you a cake.

  • rob pine

    wow ---you must have eyes of a eagle also to be able to see a signal a couple thousand feet before you get there.. Funny the few crossings i get around almost always have hatcheting gates---wires pulled out of the gate lights---gates flopping up and down --- Same with the head of school buses here.

  • Homer

    They changed it because they had allegedly conducted studies where it is safer for the lights to flash continuously. So they say

  • Retired FRA Inspector

    Due to his nastiness toward railroaders, I find it extremely hard to find any sympathy for Robert Pines. He accuses engineers, or train drivers as he puts it, of being murders. Train crews are the ones that have my sympathy. They have no control over the people that drive or walk in front of their trains, nor do they have the ability to steer away from a collision or to stop quickly like a highway vehicle can. But they must live with the railroad crossing tragedies that are in no way their faults.

  • jbl

    Grant, I would look him straight in the eyes and speak the truth. His wife stupid actions put thousands of lives in danger. Pines is nothing but a liar. This log truck is totally at fault.

  • rob pine

    Specs call for a second light.

    A train-activated advance warning sign should be considered at locations where the crossing flashing light signals cannot be seen until an approaching motorist has passed the decision point (the distance from the track from which a safe stop can be made). Use of the AAWS may require some modification of the track circuitry. Consideration should be given to providing a back-up source of power in the event of commercial power failure.

    AAWS is sometimes supplemented with a message, either active or passive, that indicates the meaning of the device, such as “Train When Flashing.” A passive supplemental message remains constant; an active supplemental message changes when the device is activated by the approach of a train.

    To allow the traffic queue at the crossing time to dissipate safely, the advance flashers should continue to operate for a period of time after the active control devices at the crossing deactivate, as determined by an engineering study.

    If such an advance device fails, the driver would not be alerted to the activated crossing controls. If there is concern for such failure, some agencies use a passive “Railroad Signal Ahead” sign to provide a full-time warning message. The location of this supplemental advance warning sign is dependent on vehicle speed and the geometric conditions of the roadway.

    AAWS should be placed at the location where the advance warning sign would normally be placed. To enhance visibility at crossings with unusual geometry or site conditions, the devices may be cantilevered or installed on both sides of the highway. An engineering study should determine the most appropriate location.

  • rob pine

    A train-activated advance warning sign should be considered at locations where the crossing flashing light signals cannot be seen until an approaching motorist has passed the decision point (the distance from the track from which a safe stop can be made). Use of the AAWS may require some modification of the track circuitry. Consideration should be given to providing a back-up source of power in the event of commercial power failure.

    AAWS is sometimes supplemented with a message, either active or passive, that indicates the meaning of the device, such as “Train When Flashing.” A passive supplemental message remains constant; an active supplemental message changes when the device is activated by the approach of a train.

    To allow the traffic queue at the crossing time to dissipate safely, the advance flashers should continue to operate for a period of time after the active control devices at the crossing deactivate, as determined by an engineering study.

    If such an advance device fails, the driver would not be alerted to the activated crossing controls. If there is concern for such failure, some agencies use a passive “Railroad Signal Ahead” sign to provide a full-time warning message. The location of this supplemental advance warning sign is dependent on vehicle speed and the geometric conditions of the roadway.

    AAWS should be placed at the location where the advance warning sign would normally be placed. To enhance visibility at crossings with unusual geometry or site conditions, the devices may be cantilevered or installed on both sides of the highway. An engineering study should determine the most appropriate location.

  • rob pine

    Wow ---you must have the eyes of an eagle Lew.

  • John Q

    Who's the babe in the boots?

    Yubba!

  • Dave

    Negligent suicide.

  • Randy

    Fog may have been part of the cause, it was very foggy when the accident happened. Log trucks are very loud also and the driver may not have heard the train horn since he was probably a quarter mile away when the horn was blowing.

  • Bill Hill

    I'm an engineer and this is the one thing I dread, a crossing accident. I have never hit anyone, but I have had a few close calls. Each and everyone of them have come from a driver being in a big hurry or preoccupied with something besides driving. When I was a brakeman I had a lady up me up the nose of a locomotive when she crossed in front of the train. She had a cell phone in her ear and I doubt she even knew we were there, even though the bell was ringing and horn was blowing. She had a cell phone in her ear. We missed her by about 3 feet.

    The point is trains can't stop on a dime or a 50 cent piece for that matter. The point also is that flashing crossing light are the equivalent of a stop sign. When you run a stop sign bad things can happen, when you run crossing lights real bad things can happen.

    I read this morning that the truck actually hit the train a few cars behind the locomotive, which means the train was in the crossing and the truck ran into the train. This makes me wonder what actually happened to the driver and the truck. Did the driver doze off, was he preoccupied doing something else, was he impaired, or did he have a mechanical failure of some sorts.

  • Shadow

    Have you ever heard of Momentum in other that WVU Football? Sorry to say but our Congress and Legislature have been unable to change the Laws of Physics. They work just as Newton described them some time ago.

  • rob pine

    Grant---this is probably a railroad hired gun or some train head trying to be funny.
    Seems like the railroad blamed themselves paying $100s of $1,000s. Engineers second notch in the throttle and still no train horns at the brushed out 90% sight obstructed crossing. After 10 years, 4 collisions, 2 deaths, 1 injury they figured out the crossing wasn't closed like the records showed ---deemed it public and put in gates overcharged 300%.

  • LBS

    I too cross that mountain a couple of times each week. I have stopped for the train before. As stated before, there is a BIG curve just before you cross the bridge before the railroad tracks so your speed should be checked anyway.

    As the headlines state, "Logging truck slams into train." If "slams" doesn't mean excessive speed, I don't know what does.

  • desperate

    The NTSB should run it, but there seems to be a little govt shut down going on....

  • desperate

    Emergency personnel reported that the signal was flashing when they arrived on the scene.

  • Joey Ricard

    Living and traveling in this area often I just happen to have an older photo showing the crossing. The truck in the photo would have been the same direction of travel. See photo at http://jricard.com/share/crossing.jpg

  • WV Trucker

    I have been across Cheat Mtn many times with my 18 wheeler and have never seen a train cross the road BUT I always slow for the crossing because you never know when one will. No excuse should never of happened!!

  • cynara

    Yes, and you can hear those whistles for miles! I lived a mile or so from a crossing in Morgantown, and could hear the whistle well and liked to listen for it. I heard a truck/train crash at that ungated crossing one night. Whistle, whistle, whistle, crunch! Thought "that didn't sound good"! Next day heard about the crash. The trailer end was halfway across tracks and hit, and the truck driver claimed he never heard the whistle.

  • Laura

    I was on the train and he was flying down that hill. Our conductor followed every step he was suppose to, he sounded his horn prior to even reaching the crossing, the lights were flashing as well. I'm hoping it was a break issue as well. It's was a very scary tragic accident. I'm glad everyone on the train is ok.

  • rut trere

    In this case the lights as you speak are irrelevant. That driver eas going to fast. He grew up there, he knows the crossing and about that train. He was in a hurry. Wait until a wreck happens at Cass which it will with the two idiots shop foremen and that dumbass trainmaster!

  • Shadow

    Who will run the investigation? Most likely a branch of the State, the State Police. I predict that the cause will be attributed to the driver going to fast! And not related to any inadequacy on the part of the State Safety Division. It is known in the Press as a cover up.

  • cynara

    WV did that on Rt 19 from I-79 to Beckley about 10 years ago. There were yellow lights a way back from the stoplight that started flashing before it turned from green, and you knew if you weren't up to those yet you'd have to stop for the light.

    I thought they were a great idea on a high speed road! Not sure why they changed them.

  • Shadow

    The sad part about the stopping charts is that they are pure data and are used as Design Criteria. Most designs include a Safety Factor and, in this case, none is applied all over the State.

  • Joe

    Sure, the lights are right at the crossing, but there are signs ahead of the crossing warning drivers of the crossing ahead. These signs are there for a reason. Drivers are supposed to keep their vehicles under control so they can stop if they have to. I suspect that the driver uses this road regularly, and knew of the RR crossing. Very unfortunate for him and the passengers on the train.

  • Lew

    Pines has ruined more than one rail-related site with his inane comments.

    In nearly forty years of railroading, I saw exactly one crossing where the crossing protection failed to work, meaning that it didn't activate at all. So, it can happen. However, it was only one in forty years.

    That driver most likely had been over that route before and failed to expect a train at any time from either direction. Some people treat crossings like that, because they've never seen a train there, they have no reason to believe one will be there the next time.

  • Someone

    Ive lived in this area for 16 years and have never seen that train cross there!!! People talk about it all the time but nobody ever sees it. The lights are so old that doh has tried getting them working but couldnt and whenever your coming the crossing you dont have time to stop unless your coming from elkins way where you even the turn and bridge!! He drove through that same place everyday about 12 trips, he never seen s train cross there!! Why would he exspect one to be there where hes never seen the tracks used??? You try driving that road in a loaded truck 55mph maybe more for the truck drivers whos getting paid by the load like most and trying to get that last load in and stopping on a dime its not going to happen!!! He was a good guy, drove truck many of years, the same road everyday!!! Dont assume he didnt have control and this and that!!!

  • idk do you

    the train track was like 10 yards away from a turn and also the driver hit the train because he didnt know it was there so you shouldnt be talking about someone who just died you dont know what other people are feeling

  • jbl

    I call em like I see em. Pines has been blaming the railroad for his wife's mistake and will not admit the truth. His wife put a train crews like in jeopardy when she broke the law.

  • duh

    Hornswaggle Pines.. It does not matter if the sight line was 300 miles in each direction, the train was right in front of the driver, how blind can you be. The driver of the truck was irresponsible and completely at fault. I hope the police get his phone records and toxicology reports so the hurt passengers can get restitution from the owner of the trucking company. The signals worked as designed.

  • jbl

    Pines, You obviously did not read the article. The TRUCK ran into the TRAIN. Is everyone from Missouri goofballs like you. You post articles that you don't even understand.

  • hyhybt

    If the drivers are accustomed to seeing train *tracks* there then they know they need to be prepared to stop in case they are occupied, even if they are usually clear.

  • Haye

    I think it would be nice if everyone stopped to think some of us have loved ones hurt in this wreck, and we also prey for the driver of the trucks family too. Its sad.

  • jss

    so sad, indeed. Should not have been driving a heavy truck.

  • rob pine

    Shadow ---not too much digging would show many more feet of sight lines needed for downhill slope ---wet conditions--- road curvature---truck size.
    Pretty obvious the crossing is in violation of road design rules even if it was working.

  • rob pine

    33. Signaled Crossing Warning
    Only if Codes 1-6 in Item 32 (Type of Crossing Warning) are selected, enter in
    this item the status of the warning devices at the crossing at the time of impact,
    using the following:
    1. Provided minimum 20-second warning.
    2. Alleged warning time greater than 60 seconds.
    3. Alleged warning time less than 20 seconds.
    4. Alleged no warning.
    5. Confirmed* warning time greater than 60 seconds.
    6. Confirmed* warning time less than 20 seconds.
    7. Confirmed* no warning.
    * Confirmed means that there is a physical record (e.g., event records, video tape
    or other tangible documentation). Confirmed warning time of more than 60
    seconds is classified as a false activation.
    If status code 5, 6, or 7 was entered, you must append a code from the following:
    A. Insulated rail vehicle.
    B. Storm/lightning damage.
    C. Vandalism.
    D. No power/batteries dead.
    E. Devices down for repair.
    F. Devices out of service.
    G. Warning time greater than 60 seconds attributed to accidentinvolved
    train stopping short of the crossing, but within track
    circuit limits, while warning devices remain continuously active
    with no other in-motion train present.
    H. Warning time greater than 60 seconds attributed to track circuit
    failure (e.g., insulated rail joint or rail bonding failure, track or
    ballast fouled).
    J. Warning time greater than 60 seconds attributed to other
    train/equipment within track circuit limits.
    K. Warning time less than 20 seconds attributed to signals timing out
    before train’s arrival at the crossing/island circuit.
    L. Warning time less than 20 seconds attributed to train operating
    counter to track circuit design direction.
    FRA Guide for Preparing Accident/Incident Reports
    153
    F 6180.57
    M. Warning time less than 20 seconds attributed to train speed in
    excess of track circuit’s design speed.
    N. Warning time less than 20 seconds attributed to signal system’s
    failure to detect train approach.
    P. Warning time less than 20 seconds attributed to violation of special
    train operating instructions.
    R. No warning attributed to signal system’s failure to detect the train.
    S. Other cause(s). Explain in Narrative Description.
    Note: If the crossing site was not protected by train-activated warning
    devices, enter “N/A.”

  • jb

    Have YOU ever driven a logging truck? to ASSUME that? Human ERROR.

  • Don

    If I was a betting man I would bet that you are one of the people that break their necks to get out in front of a truck and go 100 feet and then turn off right in front of them as soon as you pull out and then wonder why trucks hit so many cars in the rear.... BILL.....

  • jb

    Yes disband DOH but don't stop there! One thing no one thinks about is that when its TIME its time, to go home! Don't matter where which ever way you go, when its time you're going home. For us here, well we have to deal with situation no matter how heart wrenching it is. Driver of log truck was only one called home. White light surround him to help him to THE LIGHT! Bless his soul.

  • Gran

    Plus, each of the two tipped cars (plus any other cars and the engine(s) had either four or six axles any one of which would complete the signal circuit, and because it is single-track, the circuit would extend in both directions. Next, while CSX, etc., could have the money to buy the cops (if, in fact, they do), that little tourist road likely is a "shoestring" operation. Finally, didn't I hear that there was no indication that the truck's brakes had been applied?

  • Don

    Thank God for someone who can say something that knows that some times bad things just happen I drive a log truck my self so please give the family of the lost brother trucker and for your family in the train I am truly sorry for every ones loss

  • Don

    I agree with you John I drive a log truck for a living and it is not easy to stop one when they are loaded. The commonwealth of KY has it right they have caution lights that start flashing when the light is getting ready to turn red and it gives you time to stop safely and on route 17 from Madison to Sharples they have a crossing that is in the same situation as this one and they have a caution light 300 feet before the crossing around the curve so it can be done right but if the state and railroad up there are like the ones down here then you see one working and 15 watching or sleeping and I hate it that anyone die's but it will always be the truck drivers fault even if he would have been sitting still that is just how it is if a truck is involved then it is at fault

  • Shadow

    Is there a spec against a second light? I doubt it!

  • R B Moffett

    My prayers are for all involved. What a tragedy.

    I've ridden on the Durbin & Greenbrier on several occasions, most recently in September, and found safety to be of the utmost concern. Some things occur which we may never fully understand.

    Some of the mean-spirited, disparaging comments posted in the complete absence of factual knowledge are concerning, and some appear to be potentially libelous. Unfortunately, that is the state of today's 'social media'.

    I choose to believe that a fully objective, comprehensive investigation will be conducted by the State Police, DOT, and the railroad and whatever practical, legal measures can be implemented to help prevent a recurrence will be adopted.

    We tend to assume negligence; but, in reality, equipment failure or the sudden onset of an unanticipated medical condition may have rendered the driver incapacitated or unconscious.

  • Local

    I'm from the town this happened in. I know the driver personally and he was great at what he did. Notice I said was because he was crushed in the accident. You don't know what happened we don't know if it was mechanical or what. He has paid the ultimate price!!! I also had family in the car that was hit. So before you run your mouth get the whole story. Respect the man who lost his life.. Love and prayers to Danny's family, as well as, those injured.

  • Grant

    Out of line and I bet you wouldn't have the guts to say that in person. NEVER disrespect a man's wife or child (alive or deceased)

  • d7s

    manslaughter? The driver of the truck was killed.

  • Barry Bledsoe

    How can you miss seeing a train? Who said he didn't see it? Have you heard the official report on the cause already? How do you know he didn't see it? Could he have had a mechanical problem? A medical problem? Stop making uninformed assumptions.

  • Fred

    I agree with you John. Let the investigation take it's course and wait for the facts to come out.

  • hometown

    To JSS You are an idiot. I have personally seen that train almost be hit several times by tractor trailor trucks you don't live here so you have no idea how bad it really is where those tracks are located. There is not much warning I have seen those lights NOT work all the time so you need to keep your attitude to yourself about manslaughter.

  • Shadow

    Change 353 to 288, I misread the chart.

  • Bill

    Yea, probably speeding and overloaded, like 90% of the log truck do on secondary roads!

  • jbl

    500,000 trucks are in involved in accidents every year causing over 5000 DEATHS...98% of all railroad crossing ac indents are the fault of the driver

  • ?

    Mr. Pine,
    When Maintainers inspect crossings, one of their jobs is to determine if there are rusty rail conditions If so, this is posted by railroads via ways such as bulletin orders, and is covered under rules such as NORAC 138-C. Rules such as this cover what train crews are to do to properly protect a crossing, usually using a flagman and/or other required options. Also, with the talk of the curve in the road prior to the crossing, giving a lack of warning before you see the crossing, why did the truck run into the passenger cars and not the engine(s) then? With that said, it indicates the train was most likely occupying the crossing by the time the truck had a good visual on the crossing.

  • John Thompson

    I rode the sister train (the salamander) the day before the the accident. I saw all crossing lights worked and I herd the whistle being blown every time we crossed a road and I mean for quite a long duration. Wait for the facts to come out .

  • Arthur

    I've ridden that train. The engineer blows his horn at every crossing, like any other railroad. It was deafening. No sensible person would drive up to a level crossing with a load of logs at 55 miles an hour, especially with limited visibility on a grade.

  • jbl

    Pines wife was a lush that ran around the gates trying to beat a train

  • jbl

    Pines wife was drunk when she tried to beat a BN train.

  • Shadow

    I commented on Rob Pines notes about sight distance and he is right on. I guess if I had one of my loved ones killed at an intersection, I would carry a thought or two about it. It appears to me, and to Rob, that the cause of this accident is systematic and doesn't relate to the train crew or the driver. It relates to the highway specs and the non-application of Physics coupled with common sense.

  • SHADOW

    Thanks for the coordinates, it makes what you say perfectly clear to anyone who looks at it and knows how long it takes to stop a truck. It also makes my comment later in the dialog more significant. That man and others like him on Rt 50 in Clarksburg didn't need to die. As Mntnman says, it is a matter of priorities. So is it better to keep Cedar Lake open than to make the main highway red lights safe..... I think not.

  • SHADOW

    Yes, against DOH!

  • SHADOW

    In IN, IL and OH on main highways, all drivers are warned that a light is going to turn Red so there is not surprised to anyone. Not in WV, they tell you there is a light there which normally is visible so what use is the lights? The Answer: None to the drivers, but CYA to DOH. With the comment that was expressed earlier, "I told them the light was there, they should have been more cautious......" Now they are hiding behind the specs and forgetting that common sense should be applied. We have yellow light times of 5 seconds in a 55 MPH zone and 3 seconds in a 25 MPH zone. Figure that out Sports Fans and you will see why the DOH Safety Dept should be S... Canned. Like I said before, don't worry about it, just a few people get killed every year and they are less important than the time spent at a red lighty.

  • SHADOW

    When you look at the distance required for a truck to stop at 55 MPH, it is 353 feet vs a 300 foot visibility requirement. I wonder what stopping distance was used in calculating when the lights would come on? I would bet it was not 353 feet, something less. I doubt if any green to red light in the state is based on that figure. Don't worry about the facts, it just kills a few people a year and that isn't worth waiting at a red light for 5 more seconds. The DOH Safety Dept should be disbanded and the function turned over to someone who could do the job.

  • Retired FRA Inspector

    Folks, please disregard the seemingly maniacal comments from Rob Pine (Robert Pines). His wife was killed in a railroad crossing accident years ago and he refuses to believe it was her fault. Instead he tries to make villains out of railroad train crews. He even believes that locomotives can be steered. He apparently spends most of his waking moments researching railroad accidents and blaming them on everyone but the motorist that drove in front of or into the side of a train. People that trespass on railroad property and walk in front of trains are also blameless in his eyes.

  • Dub

    Go back and play with your Lionel trains in the basement. Leaves on the tracks, no signals? Never in 15 years of running trains have I seen that. Rust? The railroad knows when trains haven't been over a section of track and issue orders to us to be prepared to stop and flag a crossing for such a condition. So shut your mouth and don't talk about something you know nothing about.

  • B

    To rob pine, I have yet to see a train that was could not make contact with the rail due to leaves. You must be a genius to think that a 100 ton piece of equipment that can flatten a penny but can't make contact due to leaves.

  • Dub

    Would you like to expand on that rob pine, I am a train "driver", are you calling me a murderer? Why do we kill people? Cause most people who get killed are either trespassing or to damn impatient to wait for my train. It sure ain't because we go out looking for someone to kill on a daily basis.

  • Dave

    Yes, we've ridden that train. Sympathy to all involved and thanks to the first responders.

  • Nobama!!!

    Rob
    You are ignorant beyond belief. You probably think the train swerved towards the truck.

  • Dub

    Doesn't matter that people aren't "accustomed" to seeing a train there all the time. Point is there are warning signs and I would bet the trucker had been down that same route before. Federal law dictates where a railroad crossing signal must be placed, and these signals are well within the law. Driver didn't have control of his truck, plain and simple.

  • Bill K.

    To avoid confusion this comment was meant for rob pine

  • Mike Mullins

    Rob, "Train Drivers" don't "kill" anyone. Coming from yet another Train Engineer, trains can't swerve, stop on a dime, or slam it in reverse - unlike a road vehicle. You're barking up the wrong tree, let it go. You're getting your internet jollies off of the misfortune of others. That tells a lot about the type of person that you may be. My positive thoughts to all whom are affected.

  • Bill K.

    To avoid confusion my comment was meant for rob pine.

  • Andy

    Yep, all those train engineers just don't know how to hit the brakes quick enough, swerve in and out of their lanes, and tailgate

  • Bill K.

    Perhaps you should go back to playing with your toy trains in the basement and leave the comments to people who know what they're talking about. Seriously...

  • thetuch

    It is not the placement of the flashing lights at fault. There is signage in advance of every crossing warning of the motorists of their approach to a crossing. These signs are normally located 300 to 700 feet in advance of such crossings. In many locations there is also signage painted on the roadway itself in addition. Chances are this driver is familiar with the area and should know there is a crossing there. And the excuse the train doesn't normally operate on a regular basis is not an excuse. It is up to the motorist to be aware of an approaching train. Trains have the right of way, by law. And this is because of their size and weight.

  • Art in Ohio

    Problem with brakes?????

  • jss

    Citation needed.

  • Jerry D

    Mechanical failures are possible on anything from an older truck way up to even a new rig... Anything can fail at anytime!

    Don't be an ass, this gentleman lost his life trying to provide a better life for him and his family. I'm sorry to hear about this, I pray for his family and everyone that was injured. Truckers are some of the nicest people you will ever meet in your life!

  • Pat Turner

    My condolences to the truck driver and the injured.
    As a Railroad engineer I can tell you that in crossing thousands of crossing each year I have NEVER seen the crossing lights not work except in the case of a power failure (not a city power failure as RR lights have their own power supply most of the time) and even then most lights have a battery back up and continue to work. On all modern crossings (within the last 15+ years) there are event recorders just like planes have to tell when the lights went on, signals, when the train crossed, etc... There are also small, bright white lights on the side of each red crossing light that flash at the same time as the red lights to let the engineer know that the red lights are working.
    If you are going to comment on a topic please at least know what you are talking about!
    Trains have the right of way. Vehicles are suppose to be under control approaching a RR crossing just as you would be approaching a traffic light that was changing colors. Read and know the laws.

  • jss

    marlinton, yes I jumped to a conclusion; however, this based on experiences with overloaded log (and mechanically deficient) trucks traveling at excessive speeds.

  • Hillbilly

    It is NOT the crossing in Durbin. It is Northwest of there, in Randolph County, up on Cheat Mtn.

  • The bookman

    Also raining on the mountains today....that crossing is located at cheat bridge...shavers fork of the cheat river is located at that specific location...fog frequently is a problem at anytime there, but especially on rainy fall and spring days... Could have been a massive loss of life...prayers go out to the driver who was working hard to earn a living in a dangerous line of work, and to his family and those injured...

  • rob pine

    Flashing after means not a thing. Railroads forget to tell the cops that when they train the cops. When lights started is the key. Occasional train ---tracks rust ---no signals.
    Leaves on tracks --- no signals.

  • really

    jss- It was the truck driver who lost his life in this accident...so no charges can/will/should be filed in that respect. A friend of mine was on that train and saw the logging truck coming at them. The cars just behind theirs are the cars that were flipped. Praying for all involved and the family of the truck driver. So sad.

  • rob pine

    Guaranteed train drivers kill 85 people to truckers 1 in a 100 million miles.

  • susanf

    It is possible, maybe even probable, that the brakes on his truck failed. They aren't the safest type of vehicles on the road.

  • rob pine

    How? Plug in 38.610449,-79.869576 into Google map and sit the token down by the bridge. Sight requirements call for the trucker to be able to see the train 300 feet before the crossing. TREES.

    Look at the antique lights that came over on the Mayflower but yet the records have new crossing 2010.

  • Spell Checker

    How's that? "Railroad bought gooinie birds", "physic", "railroads payoffs"?

  • Marie

    Please have some feeling. The young man killed was the truck driver. I have always felt that was a bad location as the train is not a daily run there and it is hard to see until you are on top of it. Guess you would feel different if this was your family. I had friends who work on that train and are injured....so if you can't say anything nice....just be quiet.

  • ?

    Railroad crossings require regular testing to be considered "in service", per federal laws. Also witnesses such as the people in the locomotive cab such as the Engineer (Driver), as well as sometimes a Brakeman or Conductor can confirm this. Of course don't forget passengers or other motorists that may have seen the flashing lights. Also, the relay cabinet at a crossing, after the fact of a collision will continue working if it senses a train or broken section of track. The cabinet can also be tested to confirm proper operation after an accident.

  • ?

    I too send my condolences to those who were injured or killed in this event. However, to make things clear about railroad crossing design. The signal itself cannot be moved up the hill, it is required that the signal be at the crossing itself. In some places with scenarios like this, a set of flashing lights (basically yellow road warning lights) or an illuminated sign can be placed prior to the crossing, similar to "Stop Light Ahead" illuminated signs, to give advanced warning, and can be several thousand feet before it. The only way to see this done is to contact your local government, as railroad crossing signals are usually combined funding between the railroad and the owner of the road, due to its cost and safety for both the train and the motorists. One thing also to be clear on as well, Operation Lifesaver's slogan, "Always Expect A Train", just because the trains are infrequent, all it takes is for someone to let their guard down that one day when a train is actually there.

  • Marlinton

    The log truck driver is deceased...you people that judge before you know the circumstances never cease to amaze me. Please get off your high-judge bench and let the facts come out before you say what YOU think. Many factors could have caused the truck driver to hit the train, and you could not possibly know what those factors were at this time. Prayers to the injured, and prayers to the family of the truck driver. Thank God that these rail accidents do not happen often, but remember, accidents happen everywhere. I love riding the train.

  • zerotolerance

    I believe this is the RR crossing in question on Google Street View:

    https://maps.google.com/maps?q=durbin+wv&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF-8&ei=lGRYUsKSCsqCyQGRyYCADA&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg

  • Jack Neubauer

    Rob, I would imagine that since the train had 2 cars on their side, that the train didn't finish clearing the crossing. Having said that, I'd bet the flashers were still illuminating when rescue personnel arrived.

  • jss

    No excuses available for the truck driver. Negligent manslaughter at least.

  • Danielle

    While you may be right about some truck drivers, someone should have taught you not to profile cuz it's rude. It was indeed the truck driver himself that died so I don't think it is appropriate to trash talk at this time. If he was driving recklessly then so be it, however now his family have to live with out him so please show some respect. My heart and prayers go out to the truck drivers family and friends, and my prayers are also with all those involved.

  • rob pine

    ...State Department of Highways officials tell MetroNews there are warning lights at the crossing and they were operating...

    How the heck would these railroad bought gooinie birds know what was working? They have a physic that runs in the railroads payoffs?

  • Habib Haddad

    The trucker could have lost his brakes or he may have been going too fast. Either way he paid for it with his life and left carnage in his wake. Prayers to all involved.

  • OneWV

    Well said John. That makes a lot of sense and clears things up. I think the state should heed your advice if this is indeed the case.

  • john

    There is a curve in the road going north and a downhill grade before coming to the railroad tracks. A loaded truck, probably pushing the speed limit would have much difficulty in stopping before hitting the train. There are red flashers, but they are located right beside the track. These warning flashers should be moved back up around the turn so that vehicles would be warned in time to come to a stop. The train is not in that area on a regular basis and drivers are not accustomed to seeing a train there. My condolences and concerns goes out to the family of the one that is deceased and concerns about the condition of the injured.

  • leroy jethro gibbs

    how can a logging truck miss seeing a train?
    prayers to the victims

  • Michelle

    How sad. Sending prayers