NEW CUMBERLAND, W.Va. — The Hancock County Board of Health voted Tuesday in favor of a countywide public place indoor smoking ban despite objections from the county’s largest employer, Mountaineer Casino, Racetrack and Resort.

Mountaineer General Manager Chris Kern told MetroNews it was a disappointing vote.

“We put in a lot of energy and effort trying to communicate with the board, offering concessions, offering ideas for compromise. Those ideas were always accepted by the board, they listened, but they never communicated back with us,” Kern said.

The 5-0 health board vote makes the ban effective July 1, 2015. The ordinance also covers some outdoor public areas and if there are smoking areas they must be 20 feet away from a building entrance.

Kern said Mountaineer has never argued against the ban on a medical basis, he said everyone knows smoking in bad for you, but he said the argument is on a economic basis and the business and jobs it could cost the gaming facility.

“Now we’re going to have to have those unpleasant discussions about…exactly where this is going to impact us in terms of which departments and when we are going to have to make some tough decisions,” Kern said.

Mountaineer is in competition for gambling business with newer casinos in Pennsylvania and Ohio. Pennsylvania has a 50 percent smoking ban while Ohio casinos are smoke free. Kern believes Ohio gamblers will stay home if Mountaineer is also smoke free.

The ban won’t go into effect for 10 months and Kern hinted they may be enough time for Mountaineer to fight the decision.

“We have some alternatives available to us that we’re going to pursue,” he said. “We still feel like we have a few avenues we can go down in hopes of heading this off.”

There are now nearly 30 counties in the Mountain State with 100 percent indoor smoking bans in public places.

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  • John

    If smoking is so bad they should just outlaw it ,along with booze ,anything that has the ability to impair a driver should all be outlawed,but no way on smoking they make entirely to much money off the taxes,but shame on you if you wanna have a cigerette

  • Nadine B

    You said it - smoking is bad for you so us non-smokers DO NOT want to be subjected to your poison. Just walk outside to smoke, you don't have the right to subject people to the stench, the poison , and the discomfort. If you want to kill yourself, go right ahead!!

  • Bonni Granato

    I will be coming to Mountaineer much more often after hearing this wonderful news. I just wish we could fast forward to July 2015.

  • Bonni Granato

    I will definitely be coming to Mountaineer much more often after hearing this wonderful news. I just wish we could fast forward to July 2015.

  • Sherrie

    Yes second hand smoke has been proven to harm people. Try looking at some credible articles and studies. As a person who is a non smoker, I have horrible coughing attacks and difficulty breathing after going to mountaineer. It's great they have placed the ban. If you want to smoke feel free but I have as much right. In there as you do! You Do not!!! Have the right to pollute my lungs! Kill yourself not me! I chose life!

  • Kevin

    Come on, they did not outlaw smoking just forced all the smokers to go out side and puff their lives away. This may also save lives. Even if 20 percent of the smoking public quit it would be worth the inconvience of a handful of people going outside for their habit. If non smoking is a death nail to the casino then why are the Ohio casinos and Canadian casinos always packed? Corperate greed MTR stock hasnt recovered from the resession yet? Smoking hasnt save them. The strong will survive the weak will close. Kudos to the 5 brave bd of health members for their fwd thinking.

  • harleyrider1778

    MORE BUSIENSSES DESTROYED BY SMOKING BANS IN WEST VIRGINIA

    MARTINSBURG, W.Va. — There has been a “high level of compliance” with the Berkeley County Board of Health’s workplace smoking ban since it was expanded to include bars on July 1, but the amount of cash put into limited video lottery game machines at more than 80 of these alcohol-serving establishments also dropped by about $1 million from June to July.

    A few bar owners and managers contacted this week attribute the drop in revenue, at least in part, on the board of health’s move to expand the county’s ban on smoking in workplaces and public places, but also say they need more time to judge the long term impact.

    Business owner C.B. “Butch” Pennington said they are trying to do different promotions to increase business, but isn’t optimistic revenue will rebound.

    The $7.2 million that was put into the state-regulated gaming machines in July at 85 establishments in Berkeley County was down from $8.2 million in June when there were two more gaming locations in the county, according to figures maintained by the West Virginia Lottery. The July 2014 tally was about $940,000 lower than July 2013 and the lowest since $7.4 million in January 2014, according to the state lottery.

    Pennington said his three video lottery/restaurant businesses in July saw declines of about 46 percent, 17 percent and 36 percent, respectively, compared to June. Food and bar sales, however, remained fairly even, Pennington said.

    At his two liquor stores, Pennington said wholesale liquor sales are “really down” and he added that three clubs have indicated they might very well close in the coming days given the effect of the smoking ban on their business.

    “We tried to explain that to the health department,” Pennington said of the regulation’s effect on the businesses.

  • harleyrider1778

    MORE BUSIENSSES DESTROYED BY SMOKING BANS IN WEST VIRGINIA

    MARTINSBURG, W.Va. — There has been a “high level of compliance” with the Berkeley County Board of Health’s workplace smoking ban since it was expanded to include bars on July 1, but the amount of cash put into limited video lottery game machines at more than 80 of these alcohol-serving establishments also dropped by about $1 million from June to July.

    A few bar owners and managers contacted this week attribute the drop in revenue, at least in part, on the board of health’s move to expand the county’s ban on smoking in workplaces and public places, but also say they need more time to judge the long term impact.

    Business owner C.B. “Butch” Pennington said they are trying to do different promotions to increase business, but isn’t optimistic revenue will rebound.

    The $7.2 million that was put into the state-regulated gaming machines in July at 85 establishments in Berkeley County was down from $8.2 million in June when there were two more gaming locations in the county, according to figures maintained by the West Virginia Lottery. The July 2014 tally was about $940,000 lower than July 2013 and the lowest since $7.4 million in January 2014, according to the state lottery.

    Pennington said his three video lottery/restaurant businesses in July saw declines of about 46 percent, 17 percent and 36 percent, respectively, compared to June. Food and bar sales, however, remained fairly even, Pennington said.

    At his two liquor stores, Pennington said wholesale liquor sales are “really down” and he added that three clubs have indicated they might very well close in the coming days given the effect of the smoking ban on their business.

    “We tried to explain that to the health department,” Pennington said of the regulation’s effect on the businesses.

    http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/tri_state/west_virginia/gaming-down-at-berkeley-county-bars-since-smoking-ban-went/article_adcd8ccc-b128-5535-b366-8ee786586641.html

  • CKG

    I will be heading to NY to gamble now. This ban will DECREASE business in a big way!! They will see a decrease almost immediatley. Since the Ohio casinos do not allow smoking people go to Mountaineer, now they will be going elsewhere. Yes smoking is bad for you but that is our choice not the governement. They should mind their own business and if the non smokers dont like the smoke then come to ohio to gamble.

  • CKG

    I guess I will be heading to NY now. This ban will DECREASE

  • Jim

    I will not read the lies of the tobacco industry. Good try addict.

  • Michael

    Jim, if all you hated was "the smoke" then you'd be quite content to simply go to the huge plethora of places that have chosen to ban smoking on their own. I hate loud music when I'm trying to talk to someone. I have **NO** desire to pass laws banning bars etc from playing loud music though: I'm quite happy seeking out quiet ones.

    I'm not driven by hate -- I believe if freedom and the rights of people to live their lives as they see fit and associate with the people they see fit in places that they feel comfortable in.

    Do you see the difference? Now go back and look at that Wall of Hate again.

    - MJM

  • Michael

    Jim, you appear to have a reading problem. *IF* you had gone to, AND been able to read the simple brochure at the link I pointed to, you would have found a detailed examination/critique of about a half dozen of the "flagship studies" USED BY THE ANTISMOKERS in their campaigns: not studies "by the tobacco industry."

    Are you deliberately misrepresenting what was given to you, lying about it? Or are you simply afraid to actually read material that might cause cognitive dissonance and make you question your beliefs? In either event, you appear to have a severe problem in this area.

  • Todd Sturm

    The smoking ban will likely increase casino business. More people hate the smoke than like it. It will be nice to leave the casino not smelling like a walking ash tray.Smokers don't care how bad it smells and taste.

  • Denny

    Look at it this way it may prevent some elder person from getting blown up while they are smokeing and pulling a oxygen tank around.

  • Ken McRoberts

    There goes jobs there goes tax revenue now who is going to pay the board of health fire them all and if you don't like smoke stay away

  • Jim

    This is for the crazy harley guy who keeps asking for the names of people who have died from SHS. You can't get the names because of HIPA, do you know what that is? If you do then you know why. Quit asking stupid questions. It like asking who died from black lung last year. You won't get the names just the numbers.

  • Jim

    Like I said before you can't get the names because of HIPA. You can only get data. And the data is clear your smoking kills other people. Grasp the fact that you are slowly killing those around you.

  • harleyrider1779

    It was an issue hotly contested across Hancock County.

    On Tuesday, the Hancock County Health Board gave the go-ahead to a new countywide smoking ban.

    The largest business to oppose the smoking ban, Mountaineer Racetrack and Casino, reacted to the news saying: "The Hancock County Board of Health has shown a complete disregard for the documentation provided by Mountaineer as if a predisposed decision had already been made. Mountaineer received no response on its numerous requests to discuss materials, or any questions in regards to the information provided. The vote today was made in the face of an unprecedented effort from Mountaineer to work with the Health Department staff to offer compromises that would have been a step forward for the residents in terms of health, and would save jobs and economic disorder for the county and surrounding municipalities. With this 100 percent ban on smoking, Mountaineer anticipates a considerable negative effect on its business, which will force us to consider unfortunate alternatives."

  • harleyrider1779

    Mountaineer Racetrack Reacts to New Hancock County Smoking Ban
    Posted: Aug 27, 2014 4:25 PM CDT Updated: Aug 28, 2014 10:54 AM CDT

    By Nate Fluharty - email






    It was an issue hotly contested across Hancock County.

    On Tuesday, the Hancock County Health Board gave the go-ahead to a new countywide smoking ban.

    The largest business to oppose the smoking ban, Mountaineer Racetrack and Casino, reacted to the news saying: "The Hancock County Board of Health has shown a complete disregard for the documentation provided by Mountaineer as if a predisposed decision had already been made. Mountaineer received no response on its numerous requests to discuss materials, or any questions in regards to the information provided. The vote today was made in the face of an unprecedented effort from Mountaineer to work with the Health Department staff to offer compromises that would have been a step forward for the residents in terms of health, and would save jobs and economic disorder for the county and surrounding municipalities. With this 100 percent ban on smoking, Mountaineer anticipates a considerable negative effect on its business, which will force us to consider unfortunate alternatives."

  • harleyrider1779

    Reference Manual on Scientific Evidence: Third Edition

    nap.edu

    This sorta says it all

    These limits generally are based on assessments of health risk and calculations of concentrations that are associated with what the regulators believe to be negligibly small risks. The calculations are made after first identifying the total dose of a chemical that is safe (poses a negligible risk) and then determining the concentration of that chemical in the medium of concern that should not be exceeded if exposed individuals (typically those at the high end of media contact) are not to incur a dose greater than the safe one.

    So OSHA standards are what is the guideline for what is acceptable ''SAFE LEVELS''

    OSHA SAFE LEVELS

    All this is in a small sealed room 9x20 and must occur in ONE HOUR.

    For Benzo[a]pyrene, 222,000 cigarettes.

    "For Acetone, 118,000 cigarettes.

    "Toluene would require 50,000 packs of simultaneously smoldering cigarettes.

    Acetaldehyde or Hydrazine, more than 14,000 smokers would need to light up.

    "For Hydroquinone, "only" 1250 cigarettes.

    For arsenic 2 million 500,000 smokers at one time.

    The same number of cigarettes required for the other so called chemicals in shs/ets will have the same outcomes.

    So, OSHA finally makes a statement on shs/ets :

    Field studies of environmental tobacco smoke indicate that under normal conditions, the components in tobacco smoke are diluted below existing Permissible Exposure Levels (PELS.) as referenced in the Air Contaminant Standard (29 CFR 1910.1000)...It would be very rare to find a workplace with so much smoking that any individual PEL would be exceeded." -Letter From Greg Watchman, Acting Sec'y, OSHA.

    Why are their any smoking bans at all they have absolutely no validity to the courts or to science!

  • harleyrider1779

    Rolling back Illinois smoking ban would be a first



    Tax loss
    However, Illinois casino operators argue that this state’s ban has cost them millions of dollars in business — and the state to lose millions in taxes.

    “They (the state government) lost nearly $800 million (in taxes) in the first three years of the smoking ban,” said Tom Swoik, executive director of the Illinois Casino Gaming Association, which represents seven of Illinois nine riverboat casinos.

    “If the trend continues, that could be $1.1 billion less in taxes after this year.”

  • harleyrider1779

    Heres a time line starting in 1900,dont be surprised to see the same thing playing out today nearly 100 years later.

    1901: REGULATION: Strong anti-cigarette activity in 43 of the 45 states. "Only Wyoming and Louisiana had paid no attention to the cigarette controversy, while the other forty-three states either already had anti-cigarette laws on the books or were considering new or tougher anti-cigarette laws, or were the scenes of heavy anti- cigarette activity" (Dillow, 1981:10).

    1904: New York: A judge sends a woman is sent to jail for 30 days for smoking in front of her children.

    1904: New York City. A woman is arrested for smoking a cigarette in an automobile. "You can't do that on Fifth Avenue," the arresting officer says.

    1907: Business owners are refusing to hire smokers. On August 8, the New York Times writes: "Business ... is doing what all the anti-cigarette specialists could not do."

    1917: SMOKEFREE: Tobacco control laws have fallen, including smoking bans in numerous cities, and the states of Arkansas, Iowa, Idaho and Tennessee.

    1937: hitler institutes laws against smoking.This one you can google.

  • harleyrider1779

    Like I said this will now move to the legislature for sure. You think the Casino doesn't have friends in Charleston just waiting to repeal your stupid bans.........its coming as political will for smoking bans is fast dead..........You see your bans are passed not by elected officials but appointed HEALTH CRONIES.

  • harleyrider1779

    Charles like I said the state will now likely intervene against the health depts. The states cut of Casino revenues is now in jeopardy along with what those funds paid for. Or didn't you guys and gals on the BOH think about that lil problem. Your desire to screw everybody equally may cost you every smoking ban passed by a board of health all across the state of WV!

  • harleyrider1779

    The Smokers' Graveyard

    In Memory of all the smokers driven to their deaths by smoking bans


    http://thesmokersgraveyard.wordpress.com/

    Hate campaigns the world over via the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS FCTC TREATY...........smoker hatred government stamped leads to murder and criminal enterprise just as Michael pointed out. You might win today but history reflects the truth where smoking bans are concerned and its always ABOLISHED along with the Prohibitionists themselves as they beg forgiveness from the ones they victimized!

  • harleyrider1779

    REVEL GOES BANKRUPT

    Of course smoking bans don't hurt business.


    "Its original owners envisioned it as a luxury resort that just happened to have a casino, and eschewed many staples of casino culture, including a buffet and bus trips for day-trippers. But that strategy - as well as the only overall smoking ban in Atlantic City - turned off customers, and Revel filed for bankruptcy in 2013, a little over a year after opening."

    theday.com/article/20140813/BIZ03/308139966/1044

  • harleyrider1779

    Care to name all the dead ROFLMAO! Come on name or do you admit defeat and accept the numbers are all MYTH and made up by the government on a risk assessment computer called SAMMAC!

  • harleyrider1779

    This pretty well destroys the Myth of second hand smoke:



    Lungs from pack-a-day smokers safe for transplant, study finds.

    By JoNel Aleccia, Staff Writer, NBC News.

    Using lung transplants from heavy smokers may sound like a cruel joke, but a new study finds that organs taken from people who puffed a pack a day for more than 20 years are likely safe.

    What’s more, the analysis of lung transplant data from the U.S. between 2005 and 2011 confirms what transplant experts say they already know: For some patients on a crowded organ waiting list, lungs from smokers are better than none.

    “I think people are grateful just to have a shot at getting lungs,” said Dr. Sharven Taghavi, a cardiovascular surgical resident at Temple University Hospital in Philadelphia, who led the new study...........................

    Ive done the math here and this is how it works out with second ahnd smoke and people inhaling it!

    The 16 cities study conducted by the U.S. DEPT OF ENERGY and later by Oakridge National laboratories discovered:

    Cigarette smoke, bartenders annual exposure to smoke rises, at most, to the equivalent of 6 cigarettes/year.

    146,000 CIGARETTES SMOKED IN 20 YEARS AT 1 PACK A DAY.

    A bartender would have to work in second hand smoke for 2433 years to get an equivalent dose.

    Then the average non-smoker in a ventilated restaurant for an hour would have to go back and forth each day for 119,000 years to get an equivalent 20 years of smoking a pack a day! Pretty well impossible ehh!

  • Jim

    Please smoking sections worked well. I can remember going to Shoneys and the smoking section was a table away from the non-smoking section. Smoke doesn't stop at an invisible line in fills the air of the entire place that allows it. Smoking sections do not work except to allow an addict a place to do his drug.

  • Jim

    Watch this video. This brave lady survived lung cancer. She got if from secondhand smoke working in bars doing stand up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJJuyTGGbBE&safe=active

    Funny but true. Addicts should watch this.

  • Jim

    You addicts keep stating facts and studies done by the tobacco industry. They are lying to you. Face it Secondhand smoke KILLS.

  • Jim

    All studies doen by the tobacco industry. Can't trust them can you. Remember tobacco isn't even addictive according to them. Find credible studies maybe people would believe you.

  • Jim

    @ I'm honest at least. What about the nonsmoking employees. Want them to quit their job just so you can smoke. Honest please selfish is more like it.

  • Jim

    Ok addict do some research maybe you will quit. Addicts are NEVER the expert on a subject. Are we going to ask those addicted to meth their opinion on the subject? NO.

  • Jim

    Your addiction is speaking for you. I do not hate smokers. I hate the smoke. It makes my asthma flair up and can't breath for hours. You may like it but do it where it only hurts you and you alone. Sorry to burst your bubble but you are wrong and will have to just get over it. Go BOH. Hope it happens in every county in WV!!!!!!!

  • frogman

    Dear educated West Virginian. I'm glad to find there is a self proclaimed one. No doubt educated by the same system that indoctrinated the board of health.

    The studies you refer to are manipulated by the Anti smokers that created them.

    You attack smokers , on average , as being less educated and make less money than non's. Your arrogance SCREAMS indoctrination. Try critical thinking, which I'm sure you have no idea what that is. Ask a 7 year old.

  • herefreeman

    Cancer Caused by smoking??? That is an opinion. Many non and Anti smokers die of cancer as well. Quit chasing the red herring! When that happens MAYBE science can figure it out. The American Cancer Society will have no part of a cancer cure as it would put them out of a lucrative living! So they keep throwing the red herring around.

  • Denny

    In your dream. I think you been breathing to much smoke from you know where.

  • Denny

    Can't wait for the opening of the Casino in Austintown mainly because it will be smoke free and hopefully not as tight as the Mountaineer. One other thing that place was fun to go to when Ted ran it. Since then it has gone all down hill...

  • Michael

    Charles,

    Not a myth? Why don't you show us? Simply point out the specific, substantive errors in the pdf booklet "The Lies Behind The Smoking Bans" that claims it *is* a myth. You'll make your case a lot stronger by doing so.

    See the pdf at http://bit.ly/SmokingBanLies and feel free to attack those errors. I promise I won't mind, and I'll try to stop back to respond.

  • Charles

    What does all that have to with smoking? Please just go back to Kentucky. You're just a shill for the tobacco industry.

  • Charles

    Second-hand smoke is no myth. Wake up!

  • herefreeman

    "Kern said Mountaineer has never argued against the ban on a medical basis",

    That was the reason the casino lost. They could have shown that second hand smoke danger is a myth. Risks associated with environmental tobacco smoke have never risen to dangerous levels especially with good ventilation systems.

    Why is an unelected Board of health able to pass laws anyway?

  • Michael

    Suggestion to Mountaineer Management:

    The Health Board has probably followed the standard antismoking line that you will not be harmed by their ban.

    Fine. Sue the individual members to cover, from their own pocketbooks (and after that, the taxpayers of the County that supported them), any losses the Mountaineer suffers for, say, the first five years of the ban.

    Seems fair -- after all, they WERE telling the truth, right? So they have no real fear of losing. And it would show them to be men and women of true integrity -- so why would they pass the chance up? Heck, they should treat it as an opportunity to ensure that there's no lingering resistance to the ban!

    How about it Board of Health folks? You're an honest bunch, right? You're proud to show your face around the community! Stand up for what you believe. Show the citizens of Hancock what you're made of.

    Or run away faster than a little girl from a pack of tarantulas.

    Your Choice Commissioners. We're waiting.

  • Michael

    Not hatred laws? Really? When I was writing the social harms section of "TobakkoNacht -- The Antismoking Endgame" I read over my extracts from tens of thousands of internet postings on this subject. I found literally thousands of those that expressed or encouraged hatred toward smokers in various forms. I selected excerpts from 130 of those postings and assembled them into four condensed pages, a la Orwell's Two Minutes Of Hate. They're reproduced as a single wall poster suitable for free reading, download, printing, and sharing by activists at http:/bit.ly/WallOfHate

    Jim, I'd suggest you read what's there, and then tell us a bit more about what hatred laws are.

  • I'm honest at least

    You can make the choice not to go into a place if you don't like what's going on inside. That is your right as a nonsmoker. Seems your confused as to what rights are.

  • Pause and Think

    Just how ridiculous can our governing entities get in this country? Ban smoking one day and legalize marihuana another! Regardless of your stance, we can all agree our government has gone off the plantation.

  • Charles

    You're obviously on somebody's payroll. Indications are that you are from Kentucky. Please go back there and do you're smoking in public. Kanahwa County Circuit Court upheld the right of the Kanawha-Charleston Health Dept. to enact no smoking rules years ago. It's working. If you can't stop smoking long enough to go eat a meal, then stay home.

  • Jephre

    Smoking/non-smoking sections don't work unless there's a total physical separation between the two, otherwise smoke drifts between them every time a door opens. That means separate staffing, entrances and exits, partitions, ventilation systems, etc., all of which are expensive. A few places in Charleston tried it several years ago (The Outback comes to mind) and it just didn't work.

  • Voter

    Why can't they just make smoking/non-smoking sections. These places are adult establishments.

  • Jim

    Your the sucker. Sucker of deadly smoke into your body. Bet you smell pretty good. Like a dirty ashtray. How many women does that get you? Of course we all know what biker chicks are like.

  • Jim

    Yes too many folks mad. The smoking rate in WV is about 28%. Do you know what math is????

  • harleyrider1778

    There has been many studies that show that smoking bans do not hurt businesses on the long term.

    On the long term.........roflmao they all wnet bankrupt which is wat this was about killing the mom and pop stores,bars and restaraunts,bowling alleys,bingo halls etc etc...........they all went bankrupt up to 70% in losses after a ban went into effect. You aint kidding anyone at all. My brother makes over 250 grand a year and he and his wife and all of them smoke and with PHDs in science and economics,sociology etc etc.

  • Jim

    You can have it. When you or someone you love dies from cancer caused by smoking maybe you will change your narrow little mind.

  • Jim

    Good move to Kentucky. WV Supreme Court has already ruled in favor of the Smoking Bans here. Go buy some beer take a bike ride out to the country and enjoy them all you want in the great outdoors.

  • harleyrider1778

    World Atlas: More People Smoking Cigarettes than Ever


    There are more people smoking now than ever before, despite health warnings and the rising price of cigarettes. In 1980, 4,453 billion cigarettes went up in smoke, which increased to 6,319 billion in 2010. By 2020, you can expect to find nearly seven billion cigarette ends littering the world.

    Top of the charts in terms of nicotine addiction are Asia and Australia, which is where 57 percent of cigarettes are smoked today.

    These alarming statistics are among many of the intriguing facts laid bare in the ninth edition of Dan Smith's The State of the World Atlas.

    Elsewhere, the book reports that 19 percent of Americans say they could not feed their families in 2011, despite living in one of the world's richest countries. Meanwhile, 20 percent of India's population remains undernourished, despite its Gross National Income rising by 450 percent since 1990.

    An even more shocking revelation is that 2.5 billion people live on less than £1.25 a day, which represents one in three of the global population.


    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/421066/20130106/population-statistics-state-world-atlas-dan-smith.htm

  • Jim

    The are not hatred laws. They are laws to protect nonsmokers from you rude smokers who think they have a right to make everyone smoke around them. Grow up and take your bike on a long ride and smoke all you want.

  • harleyrider1778

    Smoking has been around for 600 years and you think its going to go away in 20 years. You will be sadly mistaken. WV smoking rate hasn't gone down in 20 years they say. Today theres more smokers worldwide than at anytime in the last 200 years.

  • harleyrider1778

    I said it will take the state to change the law. Id say its likely to happen very soon. They've made to many folks mad.

  • harleyrider1778

    Everybody else after they outlawed all the smokers money from their states.

  • harleyrider1778

    I guess you can tell Im not on theyre PAYROLL ehh!

  • harleyrider1778

    You can read a sign,you can use your nose to smell cig smoke. Or is it you just want to force your hatred via criminal laws down the throats of everyone.

  • Bye Smoke

    Great idea! Send all smokers to Kentucky to live, gamble, and drink! Let Kentucky have the slogan "Ashtray of America", who else would want it??

  • harleyrider1778

    Simply because smoking is a political issue not a health issue and guess who owns the courts politically.

    The ones pushing the bans! Its just like during prohibition.

  • harleyrider1778

    It seems Hitler used his Brown shirts and Hitler youth to perform the same functions! To enforce the Third Reichs Anti-Smoking laws.

    “Hitler Youth had anti-smoking patrols all over Germany, outside movie houses and in entertainment areas, sports fields etc., and smoking was strictly forbidden to these millions of German youth growing up under Hitler.” (www.zundelsite – January 27, 1998.htm)

    Local council ‘smoking cops’ will get power to enter Victorian schools

    Smoking cops’ will have school entry rights. Source: Supplied

    CIGARETTE “cops” will have the power to enter Victoria’s schools, kindergartens and childcare centres to enforce new bans on outdoor smoking.

    Council inspectors will be allowed in to investigate possible breaches and ensure the rules are being complied with.

    The measure is seen as important if smoking rates are to be reduced and attitudes among the young changed.

    Legislation now before Parliament would allow the inspectors into schools as long as they are accompanied and have permission from the principal.

    MORE: Smoke detectors to catch students lighting up in toilets

    As a last resort they will be able to issue $147 fines to those who consistently flout the restrictions

  • Jim

    Your right to smoke is not being changed. Your right to expose others who do not smoke and do not want to is what this issue is about.

  • Jim

    If you put it to a real vote you are not going to win. You will get about 35% wanting to smoke and the rest will vote to be protected from your nasty habit.

  • Jim

    Funny not one smoking ban has been overturned by the courts in WV.

  • Jim

    Better do your homework. This has happened all over the state and each time the supreme court has held up the Bans. The legislature gave the BOH the powers to do this. If you want it changed then you have to change who you vote for and send to Charleston.

  • Educated West Virginian

    Smoking will not be around in twenty years. There has been many studies that show that smoking bans do not hurt businesses on the long term. The bans are to protect people and employees who do not smoke.
    Get a life smokers, I know it is hard to quit but as a non smoker I am tired of paying all your medical bills. When smokers get sick, they stay sick.
    Additionally, on average, smokers are less educated and make far less money than non smokers. That alone should make people in WV and everywhere else want to quit.
    There is nothing like seeing the typical coal miner family that drives around in a $50,000 jacked up truck with two kids in the back and both parents with cigs hanging out of their mouths driving back to their $35,000 trailer. These kids have no chance.

  • Raging Moderate

    If you think smoking doesn't endanger your health, you are living in lala land.
    Ban it? No. Intrudes on smokers' rights to be addicted to a legal product.. Allow it anywhere, anytime? No- your right to smoke has crossed into my right not to breathe it. Find a compromise people! It's the American way! I remember when we had smoking sections. Seemed to work well.

  • Dewey

    WV county health boards are like Obamas EPA.

  • Mr.P

    The same thing happened in Mon County,a handful of individuals had the say for the entire county.

  • Barbour man

    Barbour County just passed as well--takes effect October 1. How can five people sit in Philippi and pass new "laws"?? Do not know who they even are.

  • J.Rod

    Very wrong and very bad for buisness here in Randolph county.It has cost my company several thousand dollars in lost revenue.And throwed 100's of cigarrette machines into the dump.I do call them the 5 Idiots in every county very sad what has happened to America.

  • zero tolerance

    @harleyrider1778 - Just think if you put the same amount of effort into quitting the 4 inch demon you belong to as you have trying to rally your smoking buddies here........

  • Charles

    Showing your lack of knowledge. PHIZER is actually PFIZER.

  • harleyrider1778

    Since when are the rights of the people up for a vote,NEVER!

    Ninth Amendment rights are protected!


    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people

  • MP

    You think in a referendum that people would vote to continue smoking in public places? Highly doubtful.

  • piss on the health board

    How can five idiots make this happen, let's have a real vote. They don't speak for all the county.

  • harleyrider1779

    Exactly and likely a real fat big Pharma check from Johnson and Johnson along with PHIZER

  • ViennaGuy

    - "Those ideas were always accepted by the board, they listened, but they never communicated back with us,” Kern said. -

    That's because they didn't actually accept the ideas. The vote itself was merely a procedure; the actual decision was made a long time ago.

  • harleyrider1779

    You see in Kentucky the supreme court ruled health depts. don't have legislative powers it appears in WV they somehow think they have legislative powers and police powers.

  • harleyrider1779

    Mary the state Government will have to pass a law limiting the local health depts. powers.

    They have become what they think of as a power within themselves and can do whatever they want. they even think they have police powers can you imagine that.

  • harleyrider1779

    Come to Kentucky folks we cater to smokers especially those who enjoy bingo and casinos and a restaurant they can smoke in. We are becoming the SMOKERS TOURISM CAPITOL! Hate it for your losses WEst Virginia and the rest of ya...........we will enjoy taking your money!

  • Mary W.

    Why is it that we're only focusing on the negative health effects of smoking? I think the ban is great but why can't we outlaw gambling and drinking as well. Thousands of lives and families are hurt each day by a loved-one's uncontrollable gambling addictions (i know, I've witnessed it first-hand). Also, pass all the smoking laws you want but alcohol is a very dangerous substance as well. People don't kill others by having a cigarette and getting behind the wheel and killing someone else. Just as many health ailments are related to drinking as they are to smoking.

    I believe these so-called health departments are sending a troubling message that its bad to smoke but drinking and gambling are ok.

  • harleyrider1779

    Well obviously some smokefree Nazis is busy trying to get me banned from metronews and now I cant hardly get a comment in so I will say Later suckers.............

  • harleyrider1779

    Heres why Ohio is doing it..


    Evansville's smoking ban ruled unconstitutional
    Posted: Feb 11, 2014 10:22 AM CST Updated: Feb 18, 2014 11:32 AM CST

    By Sean Edmondson, Digital Content Producer - email










    The Indiana Supreme Court has struck down Evansville's smoking ban.

    Tavern and private club owners say the exemption of Tropicana Casino violates the state constitution, and the Indiana Supreme Court agrees.


    According to the in majority opinion by Chief Justice Dickson, the city exempting riverboat casinos from the Smoking Ban "...is tantamount to the government 'selling' an exemption from the Smoking Ban for the bonus of anticipated financial benefits while burdening other citizens and snubbing our framers' intent in drafting Article 1, Section 23."

    Click here to read the Supreme Court Justice's opinions on the decision.

    Evansville Mayor Lloyd Winnecke released the following statement on the court's decision:

    "We are disappointed by today's ruling of the Indiana Supreme Court. The ordinance that was struck down was a bipartisan piece of legislation. It was passed 7-2 by the City Council and approved by me. The legislation was designed to protect the health and safety of Evansville residents, not to create the so called unequal treatment between bars, taverns, private clubs and the riverboat casino. It is important to note that in addition to the bipartisan approval by the City Council and me, the ordinance was deemed constitutional by the trial court, three court of appeal judges, and two of the five Indiana Supreme Court justices. We encourage businesses to continue to enforce a no smoking policy, while the city continues to evaluate the legal implications of this ruling."

    The decision means that the 2012 amendment to Evansville's smoking ordinance which expanded the smoking ban to bars and restaurants but exempted Tropicana Casino, has been stricken in its entirety.

    The decision also states, "The 2006 Smoking Ban is therefore restored as it existed before the 2012 amendment."

    The 2006 ordinance prohibited smoking in workplaces an other public places in the City of Evansville, but exempted bars, private clubs, and riverboats.

    Last year, a Vanderburgh County judge and the Indiana Court of Appeals rejected the tavern owners' argument, saying the casino mostly serves people from out of state, and that the casino pays taxes taverns are not required to pay.

    The Indiana Alcohol & Tobacco Commission says establishments that are no longer prohibited from allowing smoking as a result of the ruling must still follow with the state smoking law. In particular, all of the appropriate signs must be posted, and an exemption form must be filed with the Indiana State Excise Police, before allowing smoking.

  • harleyrider1779

    Indoor slots is where not outdoors the electronics is where its at!

  • harleyrider1779

    Casino loses smoking battle in Hancock County

    You really cant say that. A simple majority vote will repeal it. It will get repealed all of them do in the end.

  • harleyrider1778

    Heres an oldy but oh so true even here:

    The Tri-Lakes Clean Air Alliance referenced a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study of 11 Missouri cities which found no negative economic impacts.

    You just have to laugh at the claims in the SPRINGFIELD COUNTLESS BUSINESS LOST UPWARDS OF 40% IN PROFITS GONE AND OTHERS SHUT DOWN FROM NO BUSINESS YET they didn't care in the world and wont even post the actual truth. The CDC study like the 9 states study was actually made by a grant from BIG PHARMA the ones backing the bans to sale NRT drugs thru the ACS's quit lines where they make upwards of 12 million a year running selling patches and guns that have a 98% failure rate.
    Smoking ban hurts Springfield bars and clubs
    The State Journal-Register (Springfield) reports today that profits are down — way down — at Springfield bars and fraternal clubs thanks to a city-wide smoking ban:

    [ILBA Executive Director Steve] Riedl also cited numbers showing Springfield bars and fraternal clubs reported to the [Illinois Licensed Beverage Association (ILBA)] revenue losses ranging from 7 percent to 70 percent between Sept. 18 and Oct. 10, 2006, when compared to the same time frame a year ago. The average revenue loss among the businesses was 25 percent, according to the ILBA.

    Riedl said Springfield establishments provided the ILBA with gross sales figures from the two time periods. Riedl argued that such an approach paints a clearer picture of the ban’s economic impact.
    Huh. That’s funny. I thought this ban was supposed to increase revenues. Weren’t all those disenfranchised non-smokers supposed to rush right out to the bars once the ban took effect?

    “Any small business caters to the customers’ demands,” [bartender Vicki] Wilson said. “It’s a supply-and-demand business. And bless their hearts, the non-smokers just don’t really come in to the bars. I don’t think they did before the ban, and I don’t expect them to after the ban.”
    The ILBA is now working to overturn the ban: “Riedl said one or more aldermen will introduce for first reading on Nov. 8 an ordinance that would exempt bars and fraternal organizations from the indoor [smoking] ban.”

    More power to ‘em. Keep an eye on this story because it won’t be long before Smoke-Free Illinois is knocking on Peoria’s door asking for an indoor smoking ban at bars and restaurants.

  • MP

    Not true. They are pending regulatory approval to allow gambling, namely slot machines, in their outdoor smoking areas. Still no smoking inside.

  • harleyrider1778

    Of course smoking bans don't hurt business.
    "Its original owners envisioned it as a luxury resort that just happened to have a casino, and eschewed many staples of casino culture, including a buffet and bus trips for day-trippers. But that strategy - as well as the only overall smoking ban in Atlantic City - turned off customers, and Revel filed for bankruptcy in 2013, a little over a year after opening."
    thedayDOTcom/article/20140813/BIZ03/308139966/1044

  • harleyrider1778

    They said the same thing back in 1917 too! lmao

    19th Century Laws in the 21st Century

    Heres a time line starting in 1900,dont be surprised to see the same thing playing out today nearly 100 years later.

    1901: REGULATION: Strong anti-cigarette activity in 43 of the 45 states. "Only Wyoming and Louisiana had paid no attention to the cigarette controversy, while the other forty-three states either already had anti-cigarette laws on the books or were considering new or tougher anti-cigarette laws, or were the scenes of heavy anti- cigarette activity" (Dillow, 1981:10).

    1904: New York: A judge sends a woman is sent to jail for 30 days for smoking in front of her children.

    1904: New York City. A woman is arrested for smoking a cigarette in an automobile. "You can't do that on Fifth Avenue," the arresting officer says.

    1907: Business owners are refusing to hire smokers. On August 8, the New York Times writes: "Business ... is doing what all the anti-cigarette specialists could not do."

    1917: SMOKEFREE: Tobacco control laws have fallen, including smoking bans in numerous cities, and the states of Arkansas, Iowa, Idaho and Tennessee.

    1937: hitler institutes laws against smoking.This one you can google.

  • harleyrider1778

    Charles you want to start naming these so called dead to SECOND HAND SMOKE or just admit its all made up to begin with. When you claim 50 thousand dead it should be very easy to name em all right!

  • MP

    Good luck with your tirade. The number of smoking bans are increasing, not decreasing.
    82% of the US population would rather not be bothered by smoking.

  • harleyrider1778

    Charles West Virginias smoking rate hasn't dropped in over 20 years. The costs are lets say FICTICOUS,they make em up as need be!

    Slim truth in smoking and obesity costs

    A leading actuary has lampooned health lobby figures on the costs of smoking and obesity as being extravagantly inflated and based on suspect methodology.

    Tobacco figures are smokin'Geoff Dunsford is similarly wary of the costs estimates for smoking.

    Assessing the anti-smoking lobby’s $31.5 billion cost figure – found in “The costs of tobacco, alcohol and illicit drugs abuse to Australian society 2004-05” by David J Collins and Helen M Lapsley – Dunsford once again shines the torch on the “non-financial” costs and “intangible costs”.

    Of the $31.5 billion, some $19.5 billion are "intangible costs" – that is psychological costs of premature death borne by the smoker and others. Then there are $9.4 billion in “other financial costs” for productivity losses (smoko breaks perhaps?) and $2.2 billion in “non financial costs” such as unpaid labour costs.

    In the Collins and Lapsley report there is a discount for savings to the health system from premature deaths. But this is only $700 million on the $1 billion in actual costs to the health system.

    On the more nebulous costs, estimated by a "demographic approach", the focus is on the additional number of persons who would have been alive today had there been no smoking deaths over the past 40 years.

    “An estimate of 369,161 was provided to the authors by John Pollard (he had no other involvement with the report).”

    To get to this $19.5 billion, the authors multiply the reduction in the population (369,161) by the value of the loss of one year’s life ($53,267), after adjustments.

    As Dunford points out, this report puts a different value on life than does Access Economics. Whether Access prices obese people more highly than skinny smokers - or Collins and Lapsley believe smokers are worth less than one-third of the value of fat people - we can’t be sure from “the literature”.

    Indeed each report mentions “the literature” and the large variation in assumptions included in “the literature”, although they also fail to explain, he says, why the numbers they adopted were relevant to their particular health problem.

    In addition, the "value(s) of a statistical life" and the "value(s) of a statistical life year" adopted were significantly different ($6.35 million and $266,843 for obese people, and $2 million and $53,267 for smokers).

    Presumably – and these are our words not Dunsford’s - the pricing of a statistical life would also become more complicated when calculating the demographic of people who are both obese and smokers. Do we just average out the $6.35 million and the $2 million?

    Dunsford however does point out the gross hypocrisy in the government’s position on smoking and revenue. Governments reap very fat profits from smokers.

    Subtracting the financial costs of smoking to the health system at $300 million, plus taxes forgone (from statistical smokers) at $2.9 billion, from the $6.7 billion in taxes levied by state and federal governments on tobacco products, leaves $3.5 billion in profit.

    Dunford says the higher welfare payments to smokers could be offset by the pension savings from higher smoker mortality. Still, a $3.5 billion profit from smokers is a tidy amount for the budget.

    When it came to the publicity for the “plain packaging” initiative, it would have been helpful, says Dunstan, to cite the $31.5 billion in “costs to society” rather than a more realistic figure.

    “Indeed, assuming the media release’s (Roxon’s office) expected reduction in adult smoking from the current 16 per cent of the population to 10 per cent is achieved, the reader could be forgiven for estimating the ‘cost’ to fall by … $11.8 billion,” says Dunstan.

    But such an assumption would be wrong as the methodology is flawed.

    “The problem with the … definition of costs is the way in which past drug abuse is incorporated into the costs for a given year,” says Dunsford. ‘‘Indeed, if all smoking stopped, (this) methodology would still generate a large cost of smoking in the next year by virtue of the effect of the past deaths.

    “This is rather counter intuitive! Arguably it renders the methodology meaningless for the purpose of addressing cost reduction initiatives”.

    'Burden of disease' missing

    Finally, Dunsford points out that in the case of the beyondblue calculations, the $14.9 billion of annual costs to society from depression did not include a ‘'burden of disease'’ number. “Does this reflect the often suggested lack of interest by the government in mental health problems? Not so. Burden of disease numbers are available which show DALYs (disability adjusted life years) due to depression are significant – particularly when associated causes of death, like suicide, are included.” he says.

    He estimates that about $33 billion of non-financial costs could be added to the annual cost numbers for the personal impact on the loss of wellbeing from the burden of depression.

    Dunsford’s work is further proof we can’t place much store in lobby group costs claims. It’s more a case of plucking out a big number and working out some methodology to justify it.

  • harleyrider1778

    BTW Ohio's smokefree casinos just went smoking because of losses!

  • zero tolerance

    Woohoo another county in WV you can go enjoy yourself without coming out smelling like a damn ashtray.

    Spare me your personal rights whining and that they will be coming for guns next!

    Go outside so the rest of us don't have to breathe that crap!

    Thank You Hancock County BOH!

  • Charles

    Suck it up, people. Kanawha County passed a 100% smoking ban years ago. Restaurants said they'd have to close because nobody would come anymore. Guess what? They're still here. People who couldn't stand the smoke showed up. You'll live. The state is spending about $2 Billion on healthcare for diseases caused by smoking with resulting complications. Next step is to pass at least a $1 per pack cigarette tax and attack the root cause. We still have over 20% smoking-talk about stupid! That's stupid. Wake up, people. You're killing yourself and those who have to put up with your second-hand smoke.

  • harleyrider1778

    the fix was in long ago. This was just a formality it wont last long as you see politically smoking bans are becoming a very big political liability as the people learn there was never any harm to themselves or anyone else from a smokers smoke.

    Even ASH and the ACS openly admit the bans have lost political support. At the local levels what happens is the ObamaCare Slush fund gives a city 50 grand if they pass a grant like here:

    Gautier Alters Anti-Smoking Ban

    Gautier’s new smoke free ordinance has now gone up in flames. At Tuesday night’s city council meeting, officials voted to alter the ordinance to allow smoking in restaurants and bars.

    Some business owners say the ordinance, adopted just last month, forces them to lose business from their smoking customers. Director of the Jackson County Mississippi Tobacco Free Coalition, Kelly Lamb, says getting rid of the ordinance will cost the city thousands of dollars in grants. The city will no longer qualify for cash awards from BlueCross BlueShield.

    Lamb says, “It’s a $50,000 grant that can go straight into the city, that can be used for walking trails, for schools, and then after you have been awarded that, it opens the door for you to be eligible for many other BlueCross BlueShield funding.” Officials voted five to two to change the ordinance.



    When 50 grand is told to take a hike and freedom restored, the Nazis must be shaking in their JACKBOOTS!

    Now go and check to see if the county is getting a big big grant from doing this,I bet ya the checks being inked right now!

  • harleyrider1778

    Clean Air Quality Law

    It is hereby ordered that all things that generate chemical releases simular in nature to tobacco smoke are hereby OUTLAWED.

    1. Automobiles and gas or diesel engines or any other contrivance that emits chemcial releases. This savings equals to the public not being forced to inhale 100s of billions of cigarettes each day.

    2. All plants are outlawed as they releases tons daily of the Carcinogen ISOPRENE. Equal in volumes of Millions of cigarettes each day.

    3. Restaraunts will be outlawed from preparing any cooked foods as these release 100s of millions of equal cigarettes each day.

    4. In home cooking is also outlawed as it produces upwards of 10s of thousands of equal cigarettes inside and outside the home.

    5. Outdoor cookouts and fireworks are outlawed as they releases 100s of millions of equivalent cigarettes a day or on weekends in the yards and parks of our city.

    6. Humans are hereby outlawed from existence insode the city limits as their own human breath contains hundreds of the same chemicals as found in tobacco smoke!

    7. Nature itself is outlawed as it generates Billions of chemcial releases naturally into the atmosphere a day hense posing a threat to human life.

    8. This Clean air law becomes effective Immediately.

    9. Your preference of suicide is a personal choise,Police will write tickets and lock up any survivors after this law becomes effective. A grace period of 30 days will be in place to educate the public on its existence.

    Signed into law by the GHOSTOWN ADMINISTRATION

  • Dumb Liberals

    County will lose money as a result. Then they will cry crocodile tears about the lost revenue. Stupid does as stupid liberals do!